terrasante village - work email archive
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:05:11 -0600
From: TerraSante Community <scher at terrasante>
To: sprout4095 at mac
Subject: New User Details

Hello chrisv,

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:00:03 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: info at terrasante.org, scher at terrasante.org
Subject: hello terrasante!

hello terrasante!

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:36:45 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: wfoster8560 at yahoo
Cc: vansprouts at mac
Subject: Re: Chris's contact information

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo> wrote:

>  Bruce:
>
>  I would like to put in touch with our host master Tim Castleman.  Can
> you send me
> Chris's phone number or email address.
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>
> William Foster, PhD
> Faculty Associate
> Science, Technology, and Society
> Arizona State University Polytechnic
> http://www.FosterandBrahm.com <http://www.fosterandbrahm.com/>
> blog: www.oresearch.net
>

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:38:43 -0800 (PST)
From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
To: Tim Castleman <tim at awebiz>
Cc: vansprouts at mac
Subject: Re: Chris's contact information

Tim:

  Chris  is now heading up the Terra Sante website effort.  I would like him to be
in contact with you.  He seems to be a good guy and has read the "documentation of Joomla."

Chris:

  Tim is our host master and a expert on Joomla.  I recommend you contact him.  His phone number is 9165558601.

Thanks,
Will

William Foster, PhD
Faculty Associate
Science, Technology, and Society
Arizona State University Polytechnic
http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
blog: www.oresearch.net

--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante> wrote:
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: Re: Chris's contact information
To: wfoster8560 at yahoo
Cc: vansprouts at mac
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:36 PM

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo> wrote:

Bruce:

  I would like to put in touch with our host master Tim Castleman.  Can you send me
Chris's phone number or email address.

Thanks,
Will

William Foster, PhD
Faculty Associate

Science, Technology, and Society
Arizona State University Polytechnic
http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
blog: www.oresearch.net

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:34:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: vansprouts at mac
Subject: text for webpage

okay Chris, here's the page to be linked to the opening page of website.

NATIVE ARTS AT TERRASANTE:  HIMDAG
 The land we live on was once walked upon by the Hohokam--the ancient ones of this area--as evidenced by thousand-year-old potsherds we have found while digging building foundations.  Some twenty miles west of us stand the Baboquivari mountains, which form the eastern boundary of the Tohono O'odham Nation, the largest native nation in Arizona aside from the Dineh nation.
 These neighbors, the Tonono O'odham, have a word in their language, himdag (pronounced him-dug)  which describes all aspects of their culture:  respect for self and all beings; storytelling, music, games, crafts, ceremonies, hunting and harvesting; and the spiritual, physical, emotional and physical health of the people and the land.  Put another way, it means to walk in balance.  Himdag is what we mean by native arts.
 As a means to both practice himdag, which has stood the test time in this sonoran desert, as well as to educate the public on better ways of earthkeeping, among many other things we offer the following:
 friction fire (making fire with 2 sticks harvested locally) medicinal and edible plant harvesting (for example, yucca soap and mesquite beans for food) hidetanning (using yucca root as softening agent) primitive pottery (shaped from on-site clay and fire in open mesquite fire) natural cordage inipi (traditional sweat lodge ceremony) fire transformation ceremony flintknapping didgeridoo for healing and ritual native village mock-up tipi construction adobe lodge construction
 Danny August co-ordinates the native skills program at Terrasante.  For over 20 years, he has been walking the way of the Earthkeeper and guiding others on this path.  He has received knowledge from many native and non-native medicine people and elders in the United States, Mexico and India, including training in "pouring water" in the traditional sweat lodge, which he has done for the past 5 years.
He combines his longtime knowledge and practices of Chinese medicine, martial arts, yoga, and Zazen (Zen Meditation) with the ancient teachings of the Toltec, Inca and Sufi into his guiding way.
For years Danny guided youths in a rites of passage program for troubled teens in the desert and mountain wilderness of south central Utah.  He has taught native skills to hundreds of people of all ages and backgrounds privately and thru organizations such as Earth Knack Stone Age Living School (CO), Anasazi State Park (UT), Aspen Wilderness Therapy Program (UT), Teaching Drum Outdoor School (WI), Pima Community College (AZ) the Pascua Yaqui (Yoe'me) Tribe (AZ), and the annual Winter Count Native Skills Rendezvous (AZ).  He also performed habitat restoration for 5 seasons in several National Parks in the western U.S.
He is a veteran of intentional communities in the U.S, England and France.
Danny is also the author of numerous articles on the old ways which appeared in national publications such as The Bulletin of Primitive Technology and Wilderness Way Magazine and local ones including The Tucson Weekly and The Desert Leaf.  His first book (self-published) is titled, The Medicine of the Wilderness / A Field Guide to Native Skills (which is available by advance order) and is currently working on his second book, about how language creates reality.  In addition, he has realeased four CD's of original music in the genre of world / trance / free jazz, in which he performs on instruments including didgeridoo, djembe, native american flute, guitar, keyboards, and vocals, as well as engineering and producing these albums.
  All of his work has been inspired by and dedicated to the health and help of the people.

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:49:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: vansprouts at mac
Subject: TS website

Hi Chris,
Whenever you are working on it, could you add / change the following to the Website?
 On the home page, change Native Skills to Native Arts & Lifeways
on my page, after you click on the above, among the bullets, can you add:

tracking
shamanic studies
And, should i just give you / email you any changes / revisions for the website from now on and leave accessing the actual site up to you?  However you prefer.
thanks,
danny

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:24:58 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
Cc: Tim Castleman <tim at awebiz>
Subject: Terrasante webserver

Hello Brahm & Tim,

Thanks for your assistance and the Joomla webserver!  All is well with Joomla administrator access for terrasante.org ...

If possible, i would like to also have direct ftp and/or http write-access for uploading static webpages & files directly to the terrasante.org directory of the webserver.

Here is our new beta version of the Terrasante website...
  http://homepage.mac.com/vansprouts/mirrors/beta-terrasante/

I'd like to do our Projects Blog, Community Forum, and maybe the Events Calendar with Joomla / components, and the rest of the website (so far) simply as static html pages.  Suggestions and comments welcome...

Thanks,
Chris Vansprouts

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:38:43 -0800 (PST)
From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
To: Tim Castleman <tim at awebiz>
Cc: vansprouts at mac
Subject: Re: Chris's contact information

Tim:

Chris is now heading up the Terra Sante website effort.  I would like him to be in contact with you.  He seems to be a good guy and has read the "documentation of Joomla."

Chris:

Tim is our host master and a expert on Joomla.  I recommend you contact him.  His phone number is 9165558601.

Thanks,
Will

William Foster, PhD
Faculty Associate

Science, Technology, and Society
Arizona State University Polytechnic
http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
blog: www.oresearch.net

--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante> wrote:
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: Re: Chris's contact information
To: wfoster8560 at yahoo
Cc: vansprouts at mac
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:36 PM

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo> wrote:

Bruce:

I would like to put in touch with our host master Tim Castleman.  Can you send me Chris's phone number or email address.

Thanks,
Will

William Foster, PhD
Faculty Associate

Science, Technology, and Society
Arizona State University Polytechnic
http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
blog: www.oresearch.net

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:39:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: changes to webpage

Hi Chris,
a couple more changes when you get a chance:
 on home page:
was: Native skills and tipi village
change to:  Native Lifeways and Arts
in fact, can you remove the tipi village "button" from the home page?  This is the idea we used to have; it seems now, it's more of the sanctuary, which we'll probably name this afternoon, then we can put that name down on the home page.  Also, i don't know if i asked you to put *tracking on the menu of the native arts page.
thx.
danny

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:19:34 -0800 (PST)
From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tim Castleman <tim at awebiz>
Subject: Re: Terrasante webserver

Tim:

  Chris is the new webmaster for Terra Sante.  I would  appreciate your helping him out.  He has read the Joomla manual and has redone the Terra Sante website.

Chris:

  Went through the website.  Looks good.  I think directions should be broken out as a separate tag, as it is often what people are looking for.

Peace,
Will

William Foster, PhD
Faculty Associate
Science, Technology, and Society
Arizona State University Polytechnic
http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
blog: www.oresearch.net

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Terrasante webserver
To: "William Foster" <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
Cc: "Tim Castleman" <tim at awebiz>
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:24 PM

Hello Brahm & Tim,

Thanks for your assistance and the Joomla webserver!  All is well with Joomla
administrator access for terrasante.org ...

If possible, i would like to also have direct ftp and/or http write-access for
uploading static webpages & files directly to the terrasante.org directory
of the webserver.

Here is our new beta version of the Terrasante website...
  http://homepage.mac.com/vansprouts/mirrors/beta-terrasante/

I'd like to do our Projects Blog, Community Forum, and maybe the Events
Calendar with Joomla / components, and the rest of the website (so far) simply
as static html pages.  Suggestions and comments welcome...

Thanks,
Chris Vansprouts

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:38:43 -0800 (PST)
From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
To: Tim Castleman <tim at awebiz>
Cc: vansprouts at mac
Subject: Re: Chris's contact information

Tim:

Chris is now heading up the Terra Sante website effort.  I would like him to be
in contact with you.  He seems to be a good guy and has read the
"documentation of Joomla."

Chris:

Tim is our host master and a expert on Joomla.  I recommend you contact him. His phone number is 9165558601.

Thanks,
Will

William Foster, PhD
Faculty Associate

Science, Technology, and Society
Arizona State University Polytechnic
http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
blog: www.oresearch.net

--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante> wrote:
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: Re: Chris's contact information
To: wfoster8560 at yahoo
Cc: vansprouts at mac
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:36 PM

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
wrote:

Bruce:

I would like to put in touch with our host master Tim Castleman.  Can you send
me Chris's phone number or email address.

Thanks,
Will

William Foster, PhD
Faculty Associate

Science, Technology, and Society
Arizona State University Polytechnic
http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
blog: www.oresearch.net

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:57:40 -0800
From: Tim Castleman <tim at awebiz>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
Subject: Re: Terrasante webserver

Hi Chris,

Login to http://terrasante.org/cpanel to explore the features and tools.
User: harmonya
Pwd: [------]

Please note the terrasante.org is under harmonyandhealth.org

Tim

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:24 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
> Hello Brahm & Tim,
>
> Thanks for your assistance and the Joomla webserver!  All is well with
> Joomla administrator access for terrasante.org ...
>
> If possible, i would like to also have direct ftp and/or http write-access
> for uploading static webpages & files directly to the terrasante.org
> directory of the webserver.
>
> Here is our new beta version of the Terrasante website...
>  http://homepage.mac.com/vansprouts/mirrors/beta-terrasante/
>
> I'd like to do our Projects Blog, Community Forum, and maybe the Events
> Calendar with Joomla / components, and the rest of the website (so far)
> simply as static html pages.  Suggestions and comments welcome...
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Vansprouts
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:38:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
> To: Tim Castleman <tim at awebiz>
> Cc: vansprouts at mac
> Subject: Re: Chris's contact information
>
> Tim:
>
> Chris is now heading up the Terra Sante website effort.  I would like him to
> be in contact with you.  He seems to be a good guy and has read the
> "documentation of Joomla."
>
> Chris:
>
> Tim is our host master and a expert on Joomla.  I recommend you contact him.
>  His phone number is 9165558601.
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>
> William Foster, PhD
> Faculty Associate
>
> Science, Technology, and Society
> Arizona State University Polytechnic
> http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
> blog: www.oresearch.net
>
> --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante> wrote:
> From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
> Subject: Re: Chris's contact information
> To: wfoster8560 at yahoo
> Cc: vansprouts at mac
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:36 PM
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
> wrote:
>
> Bruce:
>
> I would like to put in touch with our host master Tim Castleman.  Can you
> send me Chris's phone number or email address.
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>
> William Foster, PhD
> Faculty Associate
>
> Science, Technology, and Society
> Arizona State University Polytechnic
> http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
> blog: www.oresearch.net
>
>

-- Tim Castleman
PO Box 255465
Sacramento, CA  95865-5465

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:20:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: changes to webpage

Chris,below are some changes to the "native arts and lifeways" page.  (pls. also change the button from "Native arts / tipi" village to the above).  You can just replace the whole thing instead of trying to find the changes.  Can we leave the italics in? (if it's all italics then the italics become regular type to contrast the italics).  Also, can you activate all of the bulleted items so that people can click on them and get to the next page of the details of each one?  I will be writing text for all of that soon.  For now:  page under construction?  Thanks!

The land we live on was once walked upon by the
Hohokam -- the ancient ones of this area --as evidenced by
thousand-year-old potsherds we have found here.  Some twenty miles west of us stand the Baboquivari
mountains, which form the eastern boundary of the Tohono O'odham
Nation, the largest native nation in Arizona aside from the Dineh.
  Our neighbors, the Tonono O'odham, descendants of the Hohokam, have a word in their language, himdag
(pronounced him-dug). It describes all aspects of their culture: respect for self and all beings; storytelling, music, games, crafts,
ceremonies, hunting and harvesting; and the spiritual, physical,
emotional and physical health of the people and the land.  Put another
way, it means to walk in balance.  Himdag is what we mean by native
arts.
  As a means to both practice himdag, which has stood
the test time in this sonoran desert, as well as to educate the public about ancient, sustainable ways of earthkeeping, among many other things we offer the
following:

* friction fire * medicinal, edible and other useful plant harvesting * hidetanning * primitive pottery * natural cordage

* shamanic studies
and services
* didgeridoo * inipi (traditional sweat lodge ceremony)

* flintknapping

* tracking

* adobe lodge construction

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:21:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: TS website

Hi Chris,
 Here is the first of several pages to link with the bulleted buttons when you click on them on the Native Arts & Lifeways page:  Also, what happened to the "People" (bios) page?
 Friction Fire:
 The element fire, a piece of father sun, makes life possible, gives us warmth, cooks our food, lights our night, transforms matter, becokons spirit: every full moon we spin our campfire with the hand drill.
 All you need is two sticks (and a bit of dried grass)?  You bet.
A yucca stalk or seep willow branch spun on a saguaro rib, harvested nearby.
 Learn how to transform the fire within to the fire without, and know the feeling that you will never be without heat and light.

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:18:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: website

Chris,
 Here is a link of mine to be put on the links pages, and the text for it after you click on the link.  I'll add more over time.  Thanks.
 link:
Controlled Folly Productions -- original writings, music, artwork and upcoming events based on ancient teachings for a sustainable future.
 page:
 Controlled Folly Productions is an umbrella organization of the writings, music, artwork and public events of Danny August.  controlledfollyproductions at yahoo
 Writings by Danny August
 The Medicine of the Wilderness / A Field Guide to Native Skills.  Foreword by Tamarack Song  (2006).
This little book is packed with hands-on survival skills and crafts as practiced by the ones who came before, as honed by Danny over more than 500 days in the field with a rites of passage wilderness program for troubled teens in south central Utah.  They are presented within the matrix of lengend from which these skills emanate.  Chapters include: fire, pottery, cordage, shelter, flintknapping, traps, the sweat lodge, ceremony, astronomy, music, games, etc.
90 pages.  To get your copy, send a postal money order to
Danny August
POB 3424
Tucson, AZ  85722
for the PDF file sent by email:  $8.00
for a printed copy $16.00 + $2.00 shipping = $18.00
a portion of this goes to the Terrasante fund.
controlledfollyproductions at yahoo
 CFP upcoming events:
  The Institute for the Shamanic Arts Presents:
 You Are What You Perceive:
Choosing a Healthier Reality
 A medicine circle with Danny August

Sunday March 1, 2009 - 1:00 to 3:00 pm
at the Womankraft Castle, 388 S. Stone Ave, Studio 102, Tucson, Arizona
 "The crux of shamanism is to see oneself and the world in a different way." -Juan Matus

Are you a do-aholic? Are you addicted to drama? Does your monkey (mind) pull your strings? Are you drowning in self-pity? Is your soulmate really your cellmate? Do you work to live, or live to work? Do you feel a lack of energy?
 Native medicine people the world over understand that healing the root of these conditions happens when we realign our internal energy fields with those of heaven and earth, the four directions, the four elements, and all our relations. Put another way, it takes place when the spirit-in-all-things again flows uninterrupted into us, and we again flow uninterrupted into the spirit-in-all-things. For this to be possible, we need to step out of time as we know it and into magical time.
 In a safe, sacred space, we will explore this knowledge through techniques such as:
- Running on magical time - freeing yourself from the past and future - Soul Journeying - retrieving lost parts of yourself - Stopping the world - shutting off the internal dialog to reach the place of inner silence
- Truthspeaking - regaining the power of words - Medicine dreaming - receiving messages and answers from the dream world - Thanks-giving - the antidote to self-pity - Losing self-importance - the key to lasting peace - Redeploying energy - the way of impeccability - Becoming invisible - non-attachment and non-engagement - The world of omens - stepping thru the portals of divine guidance - Getting silly - the medicine of humor
 Spirit-guided donations will be accepted.
 To reserve your space or for further info please email: controlledfollyproductions at yahoo
 About your guide: For over 20 years, Danny August has been walking the way of the Earthkeeper and guiding others on this path. He has received knowledge from many native and non-native medicine people and elders in the United States, Mexico and India, including "pouring water" in the traditional sweat lodge. He has handed down these ways to many people though organizations including: Pima Community College, The Pascua Yaqui Tribe - and since 2003, The Institute for the Shamanic Arts (and its sister organization, Earthtribe TV (www.earthtribetv.org), to which he has contributed several original music soundtracks, including didgeridoo). He combines his longtime knowledge and practice of Chinese medicine, martial arts, yoga, and zazen with the ancient teachings of the Toltec, Inca, Sufi, Dineh, Lakota, New Seers, and Native Australian Dreamers, among others, into his guiding way.

To the health and help of the people

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:57:14 -0700
From: bscher11 <bscher11 at gmail>
To: Chris Vansprouts <sprout4095 at mac>
Subject: call to action

A Call to Action -

- for sustainability policy<link to sustainabiltypolicy> at all levels
of human endeavor from the wall street boardrooms, to the halls of congress,
and the kitchens and cafes of every American.

- for the development of a decentralized point-of-use power generation with
grid tie capabilities which would decrease fossil fuel use, and maximize
solar, wind, and other non-CO2-producing technologies.  This with the goal
of seeing 1 of 2 Tucson homes generating some minimal level covering basic
neccesities in a decade.  True Homeland Security means energy independence.
Security can not come from acts of violence, justified by leaders who tell
us there is much to fear.  A patriot knows that the meaning of freedom is to
live a fearless life.  A great leader once said: "The only thing we have to
fear is fear itself." -FDR

- for the conversion to electric vehicle vehicluar travel for plug in
capability and utilization of existing and future renewable energy for
transportation.

- for the development of electric wheel motors which will allow the
conversion of any existing vehicle to a hybrid, with the goal of seeing at
least half the vehicle trips in and around Tucson by electric within 10
years.  This to decrease CO2 production and diminish the smog haze.
Ferdinand Porsche built an electric wheel motor car in 1902.  Automotive
manufacterers are slow to offer this.  (Why?)

- for the development of novel methods, and improvement of existing ones,
(heat engines, Minto wheels, etc), with the goal of utilizing abundant low
level heat in hot water as a way to generate electricity.  Orville & Wilbur
Wright made airplanes out of kites and bicycles.  This problem deserves
similar devotion.  What would Ben Franklin do?

- for the transmission of positive thinking, possibility generating,
creative software - such as the Intention Process developed by Tony
Burroughs, Wayne Dyer, and others - to the hearts and minds of people with
the goal of improving lives everywhere.  The world is full of people who
love to tell us why things can't be done.  A great leader once said: "Some
people look around the world and ask, 'Why?'  I look at the world and say
'Why Not!'" -JFK

- for the development of Mesquite as an agricultural commodity (utilizing a
food source already adapted to the desert).  This with the goal of
re-aquainting the Tohono people with this high fiber/low glycemic
traditional food and reducing the toll (measurable in millions of dollars)
which it exacts on their lives through diabetes.

- for the development of solar furnaces for silica refinement.  This desert
is full of silica, which is the raw ingredient in silicon-based
photovoltaics.  We need as many of these as possible to capture the sun's
energy and store it as electrical energy.  Most roofs should be covered with
photovoltaic panels.  It makes little sense to use massive amounts of energy
from carbon fuel sources to refine silica.  Silica can be refined at greatly
reduced carbon dioxide emission levels using the sun.

- for exploring methods for reducing the amount of carbon in the atmosphere
by growing food and plants that remove carbon from the air.  Plants fix
carbon as biomass which can then be used for other purposes, like feeding
goats to create milk and cheese.  We all need to think about what we can do
to minimize the amount of carbon we produce on a daily basis.  Life is full
of choices at every moment...

TerraSante Agricultural Cooperative
- Dedicated to the protection, development, and harvest of native plants for
use as food and medicine
- Permaculture as a way of limiting erosion and increasing the yield and
diversity of native plants and animals
- The development of mesquite as a food source
- Kokopelli Gardens & Nursery at Terrasante Community, Moringa, etc.
<Victoria Link>
Arizona Native Seed Resource<link>
- Dedicated to the conservation, harvesting, and processing of native seed
for purposes of revegetation / restoration, food, and medicine.
TerraSante Electric Vehicle Coop
- Dedicated to the conversion of internal combustion vehicles to electric as
the primary means of propulsion
- Future experimentation and development of wheel motors.
TerraSante Building Coop
- Dedicated to the development of "green" building as an alternative which
is in its inception of low energy / low CO2 impact, and of passive solar
design for heating and cooling so as to minimize energy needs in the future
- Earth architecture - calearth.org - for buildings which are beautiful,
functional, and curvy - like mother earth.
Harmony and Health Foundation
- For that which makes us one.
- Dedicated to the sharing of ideas and the promotion of activities intended
to improve the lives of people everywhere
- The 'Intention Process' outlined by Tony Burroughs - intenders.com -,
Wayne Dyer, and others as a model for positive living, creativity, and
fulfillment of human potential
- Meditation, yoga, etc as a path to self knowledge and health
- Natural health, dietary, and purification practices
- Creation of communities and cooperative ventures
Research & Development
- Experiments with the creative usage of recycled materials
- Experiments with water, sunlight, moonlight - interstellar light
applications link -, magnetite, sound, music, crystals, etc. for their
healing potential
- Experiments with solar energy, motors, solar hydrogen as a potential food
source, etc
Cottage Industry
Artistic Endeavors
- Earth as sculpture
- Ferrocement
- Straw Clay

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:29:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
Subject: website changes

Hi Chris,
 Here are a list of changes to be made to the "Native Arts" page.
 1.  Activate the link to "shamanic studies and services" and post the following (text at bottom of this page, after these numbered items) on it;
 2. Do the same with "friction fire", the text is now below the linked items but needs to be moved to it's own page (a reminder, we have already disussed this).
 3. Add photographs to the page--i will get with you and let you know which ones i want where.  What's a good time for you to do this?
 I know you have a lot to do on the website, and, i request you make the above changes as soon as possible since all of this was approved by Bruce at our committee meeting the other night and are a priority not only for the Native Arts page but also in turn for the website.  Please let me know if you need my further help / input into it (as i'll do with the pictures).  Thanks.
 SHAMANIC PRACTICES AND SERVICES
 "The crux of shamanism is to see oneself and the world in a different way." -Juan Matus
 Native medicine people the world over understand that lasting physical, emotional and mental healing is possible only when we realign our internal energy fields with those of heaven and earth, the four directions, the four elements, and all our relations. Put another way, it happens when the spirit-in-all-things again flows uninterrupted into us, and we again flow uninterrupted into the spirit-in-all-things. For this to be possible, we need to step out of time as we know it and into magical time.
 The Sonoran desert--of which we reside in the northern tip, the bulk reaching far into Mexico--is a place of a confluence of unique powers.  We can draw on this power to receive the earth's boost.
 Following are some of the topics and techniques that are available:  Running on magical time - enlightenment in the present moment
Soul Journeying - retrieving lost parts of ourselves
Stopping the world - shutting off the internal dialog to reach the place of inner silence
Truthspeaking - regaining the power of words Medicine dreaming - receiving messages and answers from the dream world Thanks-giving - the antidote to self-pity Losing self-importance - the key to inner peace
Redeploying energy - the way of impeccability Becoming invisible - non-attachment and non-engagement The world of omens - stepping thru the portals of divine guidance Getting silly - the medicine of humor Fire Transformation Ceremony--transforming pain into joy
 Your guide is Danny August  [this will be linked to my bio, the one now at the bottom of the Native Arts page].

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:25:38 -0700
From: bscher11 <bscher11 at gmail>
To: Chris Vansprouts <sprout4095 at mac>
Subject: More info for website

 Chris,
Per your request:
**
*Sustainability is the practical ability to satisfy the basic needs of today
without compromising the ability of future generations to satisfy their
needs. Sustainability is the management of environmental and resource
systems so that their ability to support future generations is not
diminished. A sustainable society exists such that the ways of living and
the patterns of activity of its members are in harmony with the inherent
ability of nature to maintain life.*

*What's Going on Here?*

*Electric vehicle*/hybrid transformation. A goal to experiment and develop
simplified vehicular conversions to electric or electric hybrid using
existing materials and widely available surplus. Goals are low cost, easily
upgradable, repairable, and sustainable.

*Solar and wind energy* utilization for use in domestic and transportation
needs. A goal of an electrical grid tie environment which is robust and
sustainably decentralized. We consider this a "national security issue".

*Permaculture* utilizing native plants, insects and other resources as well
as highly productive methods of gardening/agriculture and food preparation
which are harmonious in the local landscape, the community at large, and
which minimize carbon footprint and maximize nutrition and health, as for
example in community supported agriculture.

*Water catching*/storage via swalings and other methods, which prevent
erosion, flooding, and maximize carbon fixation as food and building
materials. Develop the process of oasification in this region abused by
overgrazing.

*Earth architecture*, experiments with new building methods such as earthbag
building, and traditional forms like yurts and tipis. The goals being
attractive, bioharmonic, low cost, energy efficient, made with locally
available resources, and minimize carbon footprint.

*Education*- development of Terrasante Village as a venue offering
apprenticeship and visiting opportunities for those who seek such. We also
seek to identify and cultivate the personal and social "software" and
practices which are most conducive to harmonious community, and the
realization of peace on earth.

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:44:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Fw: Re: text revision himdag

Hi Chris,
Bruce has approved the text (below), to be put on the community page (not the projects page). Probably a button on that page saying 'himdag village sanctuary', linked to its own page would be best.
Thanks,
danny

--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail> wrote:
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: Re: text revision himdag
To: controlledfollyproductions at yahoo
Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 7:42 AM

hey Danny,
Sounds OK, tho one can never say please and thank you enough eh? Just ask the Japanese.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo> wrote:

Hi Bruce,
 I've made all of the changes you've suggested.  (The only thing i didn't include was the 'please' before leaving the pets outside because that please is in the heading above and so applies to the pets "rule";  plus putting it there would then make the grammar incorrect when contiued from the heading if this makes sense.

  I feel this text is now clear and comprehensive, and ready be put on the website.  If you agree, please email me your okay and i'll forward it on to Chris to be posted there as soon as possible.
 thanks,
danny
  On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo> wrote:

Bruce, HIMDAG VILLAGE SANCTUARY
 An acre of our land has been designated as Himdag Village Sanctuary.  Himdag (pronounced him-dug) is a word in the language of the nearby Tohono O'odham (The Desert People) Native Americans, which can be translated into English as "walking in balance," and much more.

 By sanctuary, we intend a place where the land, the wildlife, and the human spirit are honored and protected.  It is a place where peace and quiet prevail.  A place conducive to a meditative state, where all non-violent religion and spiritual practices are honored.  It is an area where only foot traffic is permitted, machines are only used in special instances, and the amount and type of building is limited, to natural, low-tech structures.  Besides being home to a few humans, it is also home to much wildlife. If you are quiet and respectful of their habitat, here you can see and hear, for example, a family of quail, a roadrunner, cottontail rabbits, prarie dogs, many types of birds, reptiles, insects, bufo toads and tree frogs (during the monsoons), cacti, yucca, and mesquite trees, to name a few. These animals and plants seem to know that they are safe here, and that all of them have as much right to the land as we do.

  Himdag Village is our answer to the unlimited development, habitat destruction and noise of the world at large.  It is a microcosm which puts mother earth and all our relations first, that can serve as an alternative model for the current macrocosm in which humans and their inappropriate technology and habitat destruction dominate.

 There now stand in the sanctuary two earth lodges made cheifly of local earth and partially sunk into the ground, similar to adobe structures seen around the world.  There is also a solar shower, as well tipis under construction. .

 Himdag Village also hosts the practice and teaching of native arts and lifeways.  In this direction are unfolding ideas for the construction of a few structures as they might appear or have appeared in a native village of the Desert People and other native peoples, such as a ramada (structure that provides essential shade in the hot season, made of branches), fire circle, flintknapping pit, hide tanning rack, and inipi (traditional purification lodge).  The Village also encompasses our organic garden.  In addition to the crops that are already growing in it, we are in the process of planting some varieties of ancient, heirloom seeds from the native peoples of the southwest.  These crops--including for example corn, beans, squash, melons, and tomatoes--since they are native, require litttle if any additional irrigation, as well as being toleratant of the extreme heat of our Sonoran desert.  And, since they are adapted to make the best of local conditions these foods are often tastier and are high in nutrients.  Perhaps even more notably,  these seeds' unbroken lineage and uninterrupted use preserves the gene pools of these ancient plants, representing perhaps one of our strongest hopes against the proliferation of radiated, genetically engineered and monocrop foods.  Thus, they help to ensure healthy foods for many generations to come.

  Please come visit Himdag Villlage Sanctuary, and walk in balance.  When you do, please remember to:

park all vehicles outside of sanctuary boundaries--only foot traffic is permitted stay on designated footpaths keep noise to low levels and respect the privacy of human residents and wildlife leave no trash or any other trace ask permission before filming or taking pictures of residents refrain from using cell phones and radios leave your pets outside the boundary, attended to.  They disturb the wildlife and even hunt birds and other animals.

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:02:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: website text

Hi Chris,

Below is the finished website text for the Native Arts page links. Each heading should have its own button on that page, same as the headings below.  I have deleted a few of the headings, they need to be deleted on the NA page (for example, hidetanning).  Also, i can't get rid of the bold letters throughout this text.  I tried and it doesn't work (writing in email is very limited, as you know; maybe we can get a word program on one of these computers?)  So only the headings should be in bold and the rest in regular type.  I'll get with you soon in case there's anything i can do to help you get these on the website.  It sounds like you now have use of a better computer so it shouldn't be a big deal.  Also, pictures need to go onto each page (about 2 per page);  i can't do it that way you showed me, i can't remember how; maybe there's a faster way that i can just write down which pics go where, or we could do it together?
Thanks,
danny

USEFUL PLANTS

 To a native person, all plants are useful.  Native people have in the past used and continue to use the abundant plant life in the Sonoran desert for  food, medicine, clothing, cordage, tools, dyes, building materials and more.  Some examples are:  soap and cordage from yucca, firesticks from saguaro, beans from mesquite and fruits from cactus.

Plants walks at Terrasante, to introduce you to some of the more important of these plants, can be arranged in advance.
____________________________________________________________________________

POTTERY

At Terrasante we are blessed with earth with a clay content high enough to make pottery.  We dig the clay, process it (sometimes adding water, sifting, or adding "temper"), shape it, and fire it with local mesquite, which burns at a temperature high enough for firing pottery.  Pottery workshops are ongoing and by request.

____________________________________________________________________________
NATURAL CORDAGE

Cordage is an important item in the native world, used in hunting, fishing, clothing, net bags, adornment, and so  on.

The leaf fibers from the yucca plant, which grows in our area, is pounded in the traditional way or boiled, then twisted into strong cordage.

Cordage making workshops are by request.
____________________________________________________________________________

DIDGERIDOO

The didgeridoo is an instrument for creating sound, originating in Australia.  There, the termites hollow out gum trees (eucalyptus), and the native people cut them down to make these instruments.  In our area, the stalk of the agave plant is used.  These can be cut and fairly easily hollowed out.

Native Australians play  didgeridoos as a way of nourishing the earth, communicating with the  spirit world, celebrating life, and for other ritual purposes.  The didge players are usually accompanied by people chanting, clapping hardwood sticks together, and dancing.

Scientifically speaking, the vibrational frequencies and waveforms produced by a didgeridoo resonate with various frequencies of the human mind-body-spirit, especially the lower ones, causing a rebalancing of our luminous energy fields, or LEF.  Listening to and playing the digeridoo can  put us in a trance state, in which many health benefits can be realized.

Making, playing and healing with the didgeridoo are taught at Terrasante.  Bring your own agave stalk or finished didges.
____________________________________________________________________________

FLINTKNAPPING

Before the relatively recent advent of agriculture, for many eons the survival of humans depended on the tools and hunting points they made out of stone.  Some of these points of the Hohokam, or ancient ones, still turn up in washes here.  We teach how to chip stones to make these tools in order to keep this tradtion alive as well as for the student to go away with a beautiful keepsake or useful object.  On our wish list is:  large stones or boulders of chert or obsidian, and deer or elk antlers, the traditional tools to flake them with.
____________________________________________________________________________

TRACKING

To a tracker,  nature reveals her secrets in nearly anything.
Much useful knowledge can be gained from learning to read tracks in the sand, or what a broken branch or a smell on the wind tells.  These techniques can be applied to anything.  The clothes someone wears, their body language, accent, perfumes, etc., can tell many stories; so tracking can be useful in the city as well as in the wilderness.  All levels welcome.

Workshops can be scheduled in advance.
___________________________________________________________________________

SHAMANIC SERVICES AND STUDIES

At the core of the native way is the connection to everything in the universe.  This includes things that we can't necessarily perceive with our five senses.  The shaman's, or medicine person's role is to channel this universal energy to others and to the land for sustainence and healing.

Group or individual workshops or sessions with  can be arranged in advance with Danny August, our resident practitioner, including:

shamanic counseling
soul retrieval
dream work
stilling the  mind
waterpouring
didgeridoo therapy

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:08:34 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
To: Chris Vansprouts <sprout4095 at mac>
Subject: for the visitor info webpage

Thanks, Bruce

[ attachment: welcome to terraswante 2008.doc or .pdf ]

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:54:44 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Message from the Sun <light at messagefromthesun>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, Erica Depaolo <ericadepaolo at gmail>, Janice Carr <macrogypsy at hotmail>, rick at arizonanativeseed.com, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: fw: terrasante visitor info webpage draft

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:43:48 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: re: for the visitor info webpage

hi bruce, here is a -draft- version of the visitor info webpage:

  http://www.terrasante.org/beta/visitors.html

request for feedback, will publish on the main site when ok.

-cv

Message from the Sun wrote:
> Today's (Tuesday, April 21) community meeting will be at 1:00pm (until > 2:00) and lunch will be at noon.
> > See you there. . .

Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:19:29 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, danny <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>, solarbob <4corners4u at gmail>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, marcus <rogueparlour at gmail>, martha <marthyjane at gmail>, shirley <shir45678 at yahoo>, janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>
Subject: [terrasante] new moon gathering - may 25 monday sunset (about 7pm) - and summer calendar

a reminder for the terrasante new moon gathering, tonight at sunset/moonset at the fire circle (with no fire), about 7-8pm, quiet time for sharing our intentions for this new lunar month...

also here's an updated draft summer calendar, and some exact astronomical times... continuing to schedule workdays on meeting days, and also on full moon days.  i doubt we'd get much response for new moon workdays, but this summer solstice & fall equinox also look good for workdays & gatherings...

  may 25 mon (sunset/moonset) - new moon gathering (actual nm sun 5:11am mst)
  june 2 tue 2pm - workday & community meeting
  june 7 sun (sunset/moonrise) - workday & full moon gathering (actual fm 11:12am mst)
  june 16 tue 2pm - workday & community meeting

  june 20 sat - workday & summer solstice gathering (actual sol 10:45pm mst)

  june 23 tue (sunset/moonset) - new moon gathering (actual nm mon 12:35pm mst)
  june 30 tue ? - workday & community meeting (bruce airport phx)
  july 7 tue (sunset/moonrise) - workday & full moon gathering (actual fm 2:21am mst)
  july 14 tue 2pm - workday & community meeting (bruce travelling)

  july 22 wed (sunset/moonset) - new moon gathering (actual nm tue 7:35pm mst)
  july 28 tue 2pm - workday & community meeting
  aug 5 wed (sunset/moonrise) - workday & full moon gathering (actual fm 5:55pm mst)
  aug 11 tue 2pm - workday & community meeting (bruce travelling)

  aug 21 fri (sunset/moonset) - new moon gathering (actual nm thu 3:02am mst)
  aug 25 tue 2pm - workday & community meeting
  sept 4 fri (sunset/moonrise) - workday & full moon gathering (actual fm 9:03am mst)
  sept 8 tue 2pm - workday & community meeting

  sept 19 sat (sunset/moonset) - new moon gathering (actual nm fri 11:44am mst)
  sept 22 tue - workday & fall equinox gathering (actual eq 2:18pm mst)

also see
  http://www.terrasante.org/community/calendar.html
  http://homepage.mac.com/vansprouts/time/lunar.html
  http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:38 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, "Amy J. Belanger" <amyjbelanger at aol>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Draft of lease agreement between TSV & Bruce Scher

It was pointed out to me that "there is conflict of interest" until the
boundaries are defined. Please review draft with any commentary/suggestions.

Thanks, Bruce

Lease Agreement Draft 24 June 2009 between Bruce Scher and Terrasante
Village (TSV)

This is a lease agreement between TSV and Bruce Scher who is holder of the
land at 7678 and 7688 So. Avra Rd. where TSV is hosted. Bruce Scher also
hosts Native Seed Resource in the pole barn area, whose mission is
complementary and compatable with those of TSV.
TSV is welcome to use the communal areas, Boneyard workshops, Himdag
Village, garden and permaculture areas for purposes of research and
education in sustainabilty.
Bruce Scher shall have input on all projects or uses of the property, and
ultimate yea or nay on any and all activities happening there.
Bruce Scher and family shall have the right to reside on the property. It is
agreed that he and all the residents of TSV be included in a share of any
food. As sustainability projects develop, he requests relief from financial
overhead currently subsidized/carried in his name in the form of TSV
expenses. Most notably this includes electric power costs, transportation
and fuel costs, project materials, tools, and equiptment related to TSV
operation. He also requests that TSV shall help bear the burden of building
maintinence and labor if those interests also serve TSV's mission.
TSV shall not be responsible for the cost of materials for permanent
buildings considered part of the property,  but shall have the option of
volunteering labor if it serves the TSV interests as well.
This lease may be terminated at the discretion of the TSV board, or Bruce
Scher if either deems it not in their best interest.

Bruce
Scher  Date
TSV Representitive  Date

________________________________________
___________________________________________

Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:57:59 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>, solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>, amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Cc: website at terrasante.org
Subject: [terrasante] website videos blogs etc

hello world, we are getting famous! (well, maybe just a little :)

the Renovation Nation videos are on our website at
  http://www.terrasante.org/community/renovation1.html
  http://www.terrasante.org/projects/renovation2.html

Susan from the Interdependent Project has a blog page about us
  http://soozstravels.blogspot.com/2009/06/terrasante-village-near-tucson-az-in.html

along with a bunch of videos on her YouTube channel...
  http://www.youtube.com/user/soozbeth

and here's another blog page from wwoofers/visitors charly & tony,
  http://howtobakemonkeycupcakes.blogspot.com/2009/04/place-called-terrasante_11.html

community meeting tomorrow, tuesday at 1pm, lunch at noon.
next week - new moon gathering july 22 wednesday at sunset...

e-yours, chris v

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:21:05 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Lon Huber <Lhuber at email.arizona>, Jacquelyn Jackson <jjackson at tucsonvaluesteachers>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Solar Bob <solarbob at terrasante>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Tim White <twhite at empactconsulting>
Subject: re: Arizona Research Institute for Solar Energy (AzRISE)

Hi Will, thanks for the info & invitation!

I'm definitely interested in the Solar Fusion conference, and helping out however i can.  Will it be free & open to the public?  Looks like we all at Terrasante could learn a lot from AzRISE, and i'll pass the word around... (hi bob, victoria & tim :)

e-yours, chris v

http://metasofa.org
http://terrasante.org

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:24:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
To: Chris <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Lon Huber <Lhuber at email.arizona>, Jacquelyn Jackson <jjackson at tucsonvaluesteachers>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>
Subject: Arizona Research Institute for Solar Energy (AzRISE)

Chris:

  I am now working at the University of Arizona's Research Institute for Solar Energy (AzRISE).  We are putting on a conference on the 28th of Aug. called Solar Fusion.  It brings together engineers, scientists, artists, and politicians in celebration of the sun. The  press release and the agenda are at: http://azrise.org/node/96.

  Would you have any interest in helping out preparing for the event?  Is there any one else at Terra Sante who would also be interested?

Thanks,
Will

William Foster, PhD
Research Fellow
Arizona Research Institute for Solar Energy (AzRISE)
University of Arizona
publications at http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
Twitter at SNSolar

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:41:45 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Brandon Selway <brandon.selway at gmail>
Subject: fw: Re: Community meeting recap 11 Aug 2009

hi bruce & brandon, this fw to include brandon in meetings email list... also, i think we will definitely need the green pickup truck for Solar Fusion all day this friday. thanks, chris

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:36:43 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, tochris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, ccDanny August <danny at terrasante>, Bob Vierck <solarbob at terrasante>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Tim White <twhite at empactconsulting>, Janice Carr <macrogypsy at hotmail>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Brian McCue <brianthewizard at yahoo>, David Kohlberg <davidkepf at gmail>, Brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, Light <light at messagefromthesun>, Amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>, jetana01 at yahoo
Subject: Re: Community meeting recap 11 Aug 2009

Terrasante Community meeeting held 25 Aug 2009 on Kohlberg porch. Next meeeting 8 Sept.(Tuesday) 1PM

Attending: Danny August, Chris Vansprouts, Bruce Scher, Rick Hubbs, Jetana, Brandon, Markus Pierce

Agenda: Meeting Format, Fire Safety, Woofer experience, Revegetation, Native Arts program/curriculum, Barn area helpers, Sweat Lodge update, Garden update, Kitchen update, Boneyard update, Fall planning, Drinking water, Prickly Pears fruiting, DVD's, Solar fusion at UA , Web server disk space/computor issues.

Meeting Format/Procedure
Those present agreed that a talking stick/gourd was a good idea. A
designated facilitator should lead. Minutes should be typed and emailed
timely. Food is OK, No cell phones/ interruptions please. Latecomers
miss out, so do earligoers.
AI: Chris will archive meeting notes on the webpage
AI: Chris will propose a calender for fall, we will get on website when
approved. Tuesdays to be a sweatlodge work day, Saturday to be a TSV
workday?.

Fire Safety
A full moon log was too big for summer fire. Burned all night, danger in
AM with wind.
AI: Fire circle host to designate person to extinguish fire at midnight.
Danny doing this for now.

Woofer Experience
AI: Bruce still working on "A day in the life of a woofer at Terrasante"
Jetana would trade her knowledge/expertise for woofer help, she will
prepare a description of what she offers. Her trade will not count as
part of a woofer's TSV daily 4 hours.

Revegetation
Jetana wants to work on a neighborhood reveg. plan. She needs help to do
grunt work but is good at nursing plants. Markus will aid her.
Discussion about plant nurseries/greenhouses. Areas designated for
nurseries: Jetana's, Pole Barn, over by 1st tipi.
AI: Jetana will coordinate nursery committee

Native Arts Program
Danny and Rick are assembliing a curriculum around utilizing the
desert/native skills. The program will run1-2x per month, beginning 3
Oct. It will include such things as natural dyes, soaps, cordage, food
prep, harvesting nopal, mesquite, saguaro, etc. Places to advertise
include: Peace Calender, Green Times, Coop Newsletter, UA newspaper,
  Email lists, bulletin boards.
AI: Chris to get their description on the website when ready.

Barn Helpers
Rick has work available for woofers, harvesting cleaning seed.
AI: Rick will prepare a list.

Sweat Lodge update
Some plastering today around base, where flooding occurred. Inner dome
to plaster Oct.
We will need more helpers on Tuesdays.

Kitchen update
Many new tables/storage are made from old redwood donated by Bernard,
looks great! Bulletin boards in need of maintinence.
AI: Bulletin board cover project.

Garden update
We still need a mastress of the garden. We can advertise in Green Times,
Coop newsletter, T organic garderners, etc. Jetana will send on to UC
Santa Cruz horticulture grads. This person will love plants, work well
with people, get them motivated/organized, and be interested in growing
connections/possibilities- for example; the Food Bank, Farmers Markets,
CSA, Cash crops like basil for pesto, etc.
AI: Bruce to review listing for gardener position, edit and disseminate.

Fall Planning
Bruce will lead the following building projects for next season:
Harmonic Sweat lodge fall-winter. 5 sided food lab (earthbags), winter
into spring. He plans to finish off the first tipi, and get poles up for
2nd. We also neeed to complete the 3rd workshop bay which lies in parts
on the ground.
The "official" boneyard project for the season will be solar/wind power
backup on wheels for the well pumps.
Jetana will coordinate/host Dark moon healing circles on new moons.
AI: People to think about what they want to sponsor/promote for upcoming
season.

Drinking Water
Brandon wondering who drinks the well vs. purified/distilled? People
drink both. Well has some Calcium. We have at least one derelict solar
still needing a rebuild. Bruce has had the desire for solar purified
water to pass through a glass coil to experiment with structuring.
AI: Brandon to explore solar still possibilities.

Prickly Pears Juicing
Rick is harvesting. Brandon feels years younger from drinking, they will
be drying also.

DVD's
Chris has DVD's with TSV related video content to distribute.

Solar Fusion
Solar Fusion will happen at UA Friday 8-4 PM. Chris and Brandon will
usher. Talk to them if you need a ride. It includes lunch.

Server Disk Space/Computor issues
Our server space on Tim Castleman's host site is too small for video
content.
AI: Chris will talk with Tim about upping it.
Printers not working on TSV computor, no Word software.
AI: Brandon and Chris to get printers working, get Word (available for
free as 'open document')

Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:48:32 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>, j'Etana <jetana01 at yahoo>
Subject: re: New Moon / New Year gatherings & upcoming workshops at TerraSante

you're very welcome deborah, and thanks for all you are doing!  this TerraSante News email went out to 240 people, so i'm guessing we might get at least a dozen showing up for this or that event...

jetana, thanks for suggesting that i go ahead and do my new moon thing as usual on sept 19th (the day after actual new moon)... i'm open to it, but let's see how everything goes, and how people are feeling by then.  this is the quiet time of the lunar month, after all :)

  sep 17 thu 6pm - jetana - DarkMoon Women's Healing Circle
  sep 18 fri 6pm - deborah - Rosh HaShanah
  sep 19 sat 6:30pm - chris - terrasante new moon gathering (maybe)

and hopefully some will want to camp overnight(s), which also would make for more people attending each event...

e-yours, chris

p.s. deborah, if you have questions or need any logistical help here during the week, i'll be around, contact me by email only, sorry no phone...

------
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:07:28 -0700
From: Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>
To: vansprouts at mac
Subject: RE: New Moon / New Year gatherings & upcoming workshops at TerraSante

Thanks very much for doing this, and the nice description--DEborah

*From:* TerraSante News [mailto:news at terrasante.org]
*Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 4:13 AM
*To:* bcc to terrasante mailing list
*Subject:* New Moon / New Year gatherings & upcoming workshops at TerraSante

Hello everyone, and welcome back from another summer of global warming!

We are honored to host many wonderful facilitators & teachers for
upcoming events and workshops at TerraSante, and all are free unless
noted.  For more info, web links, and contacts, please see our calendar,
www.terrasante.org/community/calendar.html
<http://www.terrasante.org/community/calendar.html>

Image removed by sender.J'Etana returns September 17th with the DarkMoon
Women's Healing Circle, this Thursday at TerraSante beginning at 6 pm.

Deborah Mayaan will bring in Rosh HaShanah "A Sweet New Year" this
Friday September 18th at 6 pm, followed by a Yom Kippur gathering
"Releasing Psychic Contracts, coming into At-One-Ment" Sunday Sept 27th
at 5:30 pm...  Everyone is welcome to these Jewish holiday gatherings at
TerraSante.

Danny August & Rick Hubbs will give a hands-on introduction to
traditional ways of gathering and preparing useful native Sonoran desert
plants, in a Native Arts Workshop on October 10th, Saturday from 10 am
to 4 pm, adults $20, kids free.

Ranjit Sinha, building expert from Bihar India, will be here at
TerraSante and U of A on October 15-16 (Thursday & Friday) to initiate a
Natural Building Seminar for coordinating sister projects in the Tucson
area and Bihar India, and using low-cost natural building methods and
local materials.

You are invited to our Fall Equinox celebration at TerraSante on
September 22nd (Tuesday).  From sunset until late, join us for potluck
dinner & gathering 'round the fire circle...  Also a good day to visit
TerraSante, get a tour, and help with cleanup & projects during the day.

For staying overnight or longer, camping and other accommodations are
available during all of these events, more info for visitors at
www.terrasante.org/community/visitors.html
<http://www.terrasante.org/community/visitors.html>

See you!

TerraSante Village
A Living Laboratory for Sustainability
www.terrasante.org <http://www.terrasante>

/( the TerraSante News is published on our blog, and emailed about four
times a year... address changes to news at terrasante.org
<mailto:news at terrasante> )/

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:51:24 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: Development Center for Appropriate Technology

Development Center for Appropriate Technology
www.dcat.net

David Eisenberg
520-624-6628
strawnet at gmail.com

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:48:37 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>, solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, brandon <brandon.selway at gmail>, grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>, cliff <cliff.winton at gmail>, gail <grcatheryn at yahoo>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>, amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Cc: website at terrasante.org, news at terrasante.org
Subject: terrasante.org website report

hi everyone, and thanks bruce for your clarity.

www.terrasante.org has always been a collaborative effort, so of course i'm fine with participating in, and have already suggested the formation of, a website / public relations committee, so we can discuss website issues & content together, and with at least one computer online so we can actually see what we're talking about.

i'm terrasante's website designer & editor, and author of just a few support pages.  all current authors for various sections & pages of our website are listed on the beta sitemap.  started-but-unfinished pages have green links, new pages to-be-written have grey links.  if anyone wants to contribute writing or photos for the website, please email to website at terrasante.org (in plain text, like this email)

here's the beta sitemap showing pages-in-progress & authors,
  http://terrasante.org/beta/website.html
  (for the business section, login with username terra, password sante)

i've been keeping the email list up-to-date, and it's growing (240 at last count).  our next quarterly newsletter will be sent 1-2 weeks before the winter solstice.

here's the newsletter archive & blog,
  http://terrasante.org/community/blog.html

so far, our website calendar has been well up-to-date for major events & workshops at terrasante.  i can update the calendar within a few days, as soon as i have the exact date time location etc for an item.  please email calendar items to news at terrasante.org (in plain text)

here's our web calendar,
  http://terrasante.org/community/calendar.html

future/draft calendar items to-be-published can be found here,
  http://terrasante.org/beta/calendar.html

in my experience, workshops need to be posted with as much lead time as possible, even months ahead, and to be continued on a regular schedule as possible (eg, monthly). workshop organizers might be wise to advertise in many different media (newspapers flyers etc), and i like to link our calendar items to a webpage or flyer.pdf to provide more info from the original source.

about harmony and health, i can set up email addresses at harmonyandhealth.org, and i am able to give technical support for h&h's website designer, whomever that might be, however i am not the right person to be h&h's ongoing website designer/editor.

does anyone know of an unemployed web-designer who might be interested?  (in my opinion, tom's friend marnie, who is a graphic artist & photographer with experience in website production, might be good for this job - www.marniejean.com)

here's harmony and health's website,
  http://www.harmonyandhealth.org

also, grant has suggested google sites for danny's personal website, which is a good easy way for anyone to put up a nice website or wiki, and it's free.
  http://www.google.com/sites/overview.html

see you at the community meeting tomorrow.

e-yours,
chris

p.s. everyone is invited to a quiet new moon gathering at the fire circle (with no fire) tomorrow tuesday after both sunset and dinner...

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:35:32 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>
Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Subject: Re: websites

Danny,
An overview with links as to native arts is what I anticipate for the
terrasante website. In depth treatise on native arts belongs on separate
pages which are linked. The most obvious and perhaps appropriate way to
do so is by you having your own website, where you can update the linked
pages at your leisure and desire. Rick has a website for this reason. We
link to him, but I would like at least a page describing what happens on
the TSV website with regards to native seed. More details to be found on
the links to arizonanativeseed. Kapish?
Creating partial access to pass you access to edit specific TSV website
pages might be problematic, I don't really know.
You are correct that the person posting calender events on the TSV
website needs to get that information up in timely fashion, this is
Chris at present, and I trust he will assist with this, as these are
educational events sponsored by TSV.  I like the idea of linking to your
announcement fliers at the level of calender page. I am wondering if
Chris is also keeping the email list up to date, is it growing?
It is my understanding that Chris is not interested in developing a
website for you, but I'm sure Cliff, Brandon, or Grant among others
could help you do so. Could probably host you on the same server?
Thanks,
Bruce

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:45:04 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>,
  solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, chris <chrisv at terrasante>,
  rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>,
  tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, tom <tmendola at gmail>,
  brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, david <davidkepf at gmail>,
  brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>,
  amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Cc: website at terrasante.org
Subject: [terrasante] beta website updates news etc

hi all,

to see draft "beta" versions of new pages and updates,
  http://www.terrasante.org/beta/

new pages & revisions have bright green links!  comments / feedback welcome...

the beta/future calendar includes dates for new moon gatherings (the next one is june 23
tuesday at sunset).  work continues on wwoofer p-r, our permaculture page, the
news/blog, and new project pages with writing from bruce and danny...

also, i've created some new email addresses for us at terrasante.org, in case they might
be useful (see addresses on this message).  email sent to 'you' at terrasante.org will
automatically forward to your regular old email address.  technically no big deal -
please ask me if you have any questions, problems, or requests.

this weekend i'll be sending out another short & rare e-newsletter to our whole email
list (about 180 people) announcing our june 20th solstice gathering, along with a link
to www.terrasante.org ... our website is consistently getting 100 honest page hits per
day from about 30 visitors per day, and many of our virtual visitors are spending time
to read 10 or more pages... yikes! :)

e-yours,
chrisv at terrasante dot org

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:45:39 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Daniel August <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>, Rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>
Subject: Addressing specific concerns with a new website page/button on TSV website

Based on recent woofer feedback we are creating a new page for the website
which is more explicit than the image visitors are getting from the TSV
website. There is apparently an expectation gap where what they have in
their head does not match what they find here. I have reviewed the TSV
website's visitor info., and woof listing which seem clear to me, and hope
this page will furthur clarify for people before they arrive here.

Woofer & Apprentice Information

Please be aware that this community is *not* like the last farm you visited.

The website reflects a vision of what we aspire to, not necessarily what we
are at any moment.

We are a diverse collection of individuals with knowledge, skills and
quirks, and sometimes rough edges. We do all work for a common vision of
sustainability, sometimes on related but distinct projects. It can be a
process getting to agreement, all of which is part of the experiment in
sustainability.

Terrasante Village is a neighbor of the greater Terrasante Community,
Harmony & Health and Tucson , with which we have many partnerships.
Opportunities abound to work and learn. We are mainly developing with
volunteer help, including those who live here. This place changes
continually.

We *prefer individuals who are self starters* with some skills and
experience related to plants, building, tool use and energy projects. You in
part are responsible to locate the tools you need and the people to get
specific directions about what you will be doing. This is especially true of
apprenticeships which are determined by the mentor/apprentice relationship
you develop with specific individuals.

The only *accommodation available may be your camping.* You may camp under
the stars if you choose. Be sure to bring a warm sleeping bag, tent if you
like. Various structures are available on a first comers basis, or perhaps
by special arrangement. These include a small trailer, furnished bus, and
yurt.

There is a solar shower with limited hot water in winter, you may wish to
invest in a solar shower bag.

*Food provided as a baseline is rice and beans*, plus whatever harvest the
garden and desert provides. We receive donations of food regularly, you may
be asked to help pick it up. There is generally an abundance of food, and
you are encouraged to be creative in preparing it. There is often no
designated cook, but we do appreciate the good cooks who prepare dishes for
all. You are welcome to purchase and prepare foods specific to your needs
and likes. There is food storage designated communal and other personal.
Everyone using the kitchen and toilets are expected to contribute to keeping
them clean.

As a daily routine you may *plan on working 4 hours/day six days per week*,
but are welcome to work long days on specific projects. There is a work log
to keep track of your time. Your assistance may be requested for projects
requiring many hands. We have certain projects designated for some days,
your participation is appreciated. There is a daily meeting 8AM at the fire
circle to assign and prioritize tasks, please plan to attend. These could
include: gardening, building earth structures, greenhouse, development of
solar / wind electricity generators and vehicles, building berms and swales,
outreach for human and other resources, maintenance of the Himdag sanctuary,
etc.

There are opportunities for learning/relaxation, for example, hiking,
biking, yoga, native skills, native plant and permaculture classes, other
projects, etc. sponsored by various members of the community at various
times. You are welcome to participate in these in *addition* to your 4 hours
daily commitment to Terrasante Village.

You are invited to participate in weekly community meetings, sharing your
insights, concerns and requests. There is a 'manifestation' board for such
as well.

Please be respectful of residents and neighbors in regards to their right to
quiet and privacy in and immediately around their personal space. This is
their home. Pets must be under your control at all times, and here only by
prior arrangement and permission. Children must be under parent's
supervision at all times as there are many dangers here, again only with
prior arrangement. You will be expected to sign a release recognizing that *you
alone are responsible for your own safety* while here.

Please advise us of any health concerns you may have if you feel that it may
be something we should know about.

Please feel free to contact us with more specific information should you
have questions.

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:31:57 -0700
From: Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>
To: 'Bruce Scher' <scher at terrasante>, 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>, 'Daniel August' <controlledfollyproductions at yahoo>, 'Rick' <rick at arizonanativeseed>, 'Tom Mendola' <tmendola at gmail>, 'David Kohlberg' <DKohlberg at aol>
Subject: RE: Addressing specific concerns with a new website page/button on TSV website

I think this is very helpful in getting the basic info there to have more
grounded expectations. The info seems clear. My suggestion would be to sit
with it a short time and then edit a bit for tone so it is friendlier, more
inviting, not the defensive edge that is understandable in  a first draft
of a document that sets boundaries. Perhaps also a paragraph about the
funding sources of a small nonprofit, so they understand why more food etc
is not provided. And perhaps the vision of the nonprofit producing sellable
goods and services in the future for income streams to provide more,
etc--deborah

 From: bscher11 at gmail [mailto:bscher11 at gmail] On Behalf Of Bruce
Scher
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:46 PM
To: chris vansprouts; Daniel August; Rick; Tom Mendola; Deborah Mayaan;
David Kohlberg
Subject: Addressing specific concerns with a new website page/button on TSV
website

 Based on recent woofer feedback we are creating a new page for the website
which is more explicit than the image visitors are getting from the TSV
website. There is apparently an expectation gap where what they have in
their head does not match what they find here. I have reviewed the TSV
website's visitor info., and woof listing which seem clear to me, and hope
this page will furthur clarify for people before they arrive here.

  Woofer & Apprentice Information

 Please be aware that this community is not like the last farm you visited.

The website reflects a vision of what we aspire to, not necessarily what we
are at any moment.

We are a diverse collection of individuals with knowledge, skills and
quirks, and sometimes rough edges. We do all work for a common vision of
sustainability, sometimes on related but distinct projects. It can be a
process getting to agreement, all of which is part of the experiment in
sustainability. Terrasante Village is a neighbor of the greater Terrasante Community,
Harmony & Health and Tucson , with which we have many partnerships.
Opportunities abound to work and learn. We are mainly developing with
volunteer help, including those who live here. This place changes
continually.

 We prefer individuals who are self starters with some skills and experience
related to plants, building, tool use and energy projects. You in part are
responsible to locate the tools you need and the people to get specific
directions about what you will be doing. This is especially true of
apprenticeships which are determined by the mentor/apprentice relationship
you develop with specific individuals.  The only accommodation available may be your camping. You may camp under the
stars if you choose. Be sure to bring a warm sleeping bag, tent if you like.
Various structures are available on a first comers basis, or perhaps by
special arrangement. These include a small trailer, furnished bus, and yurt.

There is a solar shower with limited hot water in winter, you may wish to
invest in a solar shower bag.  Food provided as a baseline is rice and beans, plus whatever harvest the
garden and desert provides. We receive donations of food regularly, you may
be asked to help pick it up. There is generally an abundance of food, and
you are encouraged to be creative in preparing it. There is often no
designated cook, but we do appreciate the good cooks who prepare dishes for
all. You are welcome to purchase and prepare foods specific to your needs
and likes. There is food storage designated communal and other personal.
Everyone using the kitchen and toilets are expected to contribute to keeping
them clean.

 As a daily routine you may plan on working 4 hours/day six days per week,
but are welcome to work long days on specific projects. There is a work log
to keep track of your time. Your assistance may be requested for projects
requiring many hands. We have certain projects designated for some days,
your participation is appreciated. There is a daily meeting 8AM at the fire
circle to assign and prioritize tasks, please plan to attend. These could
include: gardening, building earth structures, greenhouse, development of
solar / wind electricity generators and vehicles, building berms and swales,
outreach for human and other resources, maintenance of the Himdag sanctuary,
etc.

There are opportunities for learning/relaxation, for example, hiking,
biking, yoga, native skills, native plant and permaculture classes, other
projects, etc. sponsored by various members of the community at various
times. You are welcome to participate in these in addition to your 4 hours
daily commitment to Terrasante Village.  You are invited to participate in weekly community meetings, sharing your
insights, concerns and requests. There is a "manifestation" board for such
as well.

 Please be respectful of residents and neighbors in regards to their right to
quiet and privacy in and immediately around their personal space. This is
their home. Pets must be under your control at all times, and here only by
prior arrangement and permission. Children must be under parent's
supervision at all times as there are many dangers here, again only with
prior arrangement. You will be expected to sign a release recognizing that
you alone are responsible for your own safety while here.

Please advise us of any health concerns you may have if you feel that it may
be something we should know about.  Please feel free to contact us with more specific information should you
have questions.

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:04:25 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>, solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, brandon <brandon.selway at gmail>, grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>, cliff <cliff.winton at gmail>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>, amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Cc: website at terrasante.org
Subject: terrasante website review & movie night - wed or thurs ?

hi everyone,

since the terrasante full moon gathering is tuesday december 1st, i'd like to suggest changing the planned date of the combined community meeting, dinner, website review, and movie night from tuesday to wednesday or thursday, whatever day bruce is not working at the hospital.  danny's request to start at 4 pm instead of 6 pm is ok with me.

terrasante website review - after the community meeting, and possibly over dinner, everyone is welcome to help review and suggest improvements for our website.

www.terrasante.org will be up on the big silver screen in the kohlberg home theatre, starting at 6:30 pm for no more than an hour, followed by a movie to be decided by those present (please bring a favorite)... see you!

chris

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:48:37 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>,
  solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>,
  victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>,
  tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>,
  david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>,
  janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, brandon <brandon.selway at gmail>,
  grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>, cliff <cliff.winton at gmail>,
  gail <grcatheryn at yahoo>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>,
  brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>,
  amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Cc: website at terrasante.org, news at terrasante.org
Subject: terrasante.org website report

hi everyone, and thanks bruce for your clarity.

www.terrasante.org has always been a collaborative effort, so of course i'm fine with
participating in, and have already suggested the formation of, a website / public
relations committee, so we can discuss website issues & content together, and with at
least one computer online so we can actually see what we're talking about.

i'm terrasante's website designer & editor, and author of just a few support pages.  all
current authors for various sections & pages of our website are listed on the beta
sitemap.  started-but-unfinished pages have green links, new pages to-be-written have
grey links.  if anyone wants to contribute writing or photos for the website, please
email to website at terrasante.org (in plain text, like this email)

here's the beta sitemap showing pages-in-progress & authors,
  http://terrasante.org/beta/website.html
  (for the business section, login with username terra, password sante)

i've been keeping the email list up-to-date, and it's growing (240 at last count).  our
next quarterly newsletter will be sent 1-2 weeks before the winter solstice.

here's the newsletter archive & blog,
  http://terrasante.org/community/blog.html

so far, our website calendar has been well up-to-date for major events & workshops at
terrasante.  i can update the calendar within a few days, as soon as i have the exact
date time location etc for an item.  please email calendar items to news at terrasante.org
(in plain text)

here's our web calendar,
  http://terrasante.org/community/calendar.html

future/draft calendar items to-be-published can be found here,
  http://terrasante.org/beta/calendar.html

in my experience, workshops need to be posted with as much lead time as possible, even
months ahead, and to be continued on a regular schedule as possible (eg, monthly).
workshop organizers might be wise to advertise in many different media (newspapers
flyers etc), and i like to link our calendar items to a webpage or flyer.pdf to provide
more info from the original source.

about harmony and health, i can set up email addresses at harmonyandhealth.org, and i am
able to give technical support for h&h's website designer, whomever that might be,
however i am not the right person to be h&h's ongoing website designer/editor.

does anyone know of an unemployed web-designer who might be interested?  (in my opinion,
tom's friend marnie, who is a graphic artist & photographer with experience in website
production, might be good for this job - www.marniejean.com)

here's harmony and health's website,
  http://www.harmonyandhealth.org

also, grant has suggested google sites for danny's personal website, which is a good
easy way for anyone to put up a nice website or wiki, and it's free.
  http://www.google.com/sites/overview.html

see you at the community meeting tomorrow.

e-yours,
chris

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:21:07 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: danny <danny at terrasante>, solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, brandon <brandon.selway at gmail>, grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>, cliff <cliff.winton at gmail>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>, amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>, website at terrasante.org
Subject: Re: terrasante website review & movie night - wed or thurs ?

Saturday would be my next day. Friday afternoon I must to town.
Yes I wish to review websites ASAP for revisions. Content needs mounting as
I cannot diseeminate by email all the time, tis cumbersome.
Keep me posted.
Thanks,
Bruce

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:04 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi everyone,
>
> since the terrasante full moon gathering is tuesday december 1st, i'd like
> to suggest changing the planned date of the combined community meeting,
> dinner, website review, and movie night from tuesday to wednesday or
> thursday, whatever day bruce is not working at the hospital.  danny's
> request to start at 4 pm instead of 6 pm is ok with me.
>
> terrasante website review - after the community meeting, and possibly over
> dinner, everyone is welcome to help review and suggest improvements for our
> website.
>
> www.terrasante.org will be up on the big silver screen in the kohlberg
> home theatre, starting at 6:30 pm for no more than an hour, followed by a
> movie to be decided by those present (please bring a favorite)... see you!
>
> chris
>
>
> ------
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:48:37 -0700
> From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>,
>  solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>,
>  victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>,
>  tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>,
>  david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>,
>  janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, brandon <brandon.selway at gmail>,
>  grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>, cliff <cliff.winton at gmail>,
>  gail <grcatheryn at yahoo>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>,
>  brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>,
>  amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>
> Cc: website at terrasante.org, news at terrasante.org
> Subject: terrasante.org website report
>
> hi everyone, and thanks bruce for your clarity.
>
> www.terrasante.org has always been a collaborative effort, so of course
> i'm fine with
> participating in, and have already suggested the formation of, a website /
> public
> relations committee, so we can discuss website issues & content together,
> and with at
> least one computer online so we can actually see what we're talking about.
>
> i'm terrasante's website designer & editor, and author of just a few
> support pages.  all
> current authors for various sections & pages of our website are listed on
> the beta
> sitemap.  started-but-unfinished pages have green links, new pages
> to-be-written have
> grey links.  if anyone wants to contribute writing or photos for the
> website, please
> email to website at terrasante.org (in plain text, like this email)
>
> here's the beta sitemap showing pages-in-progress & authors,
>  http://terrasante.org/beta/website.html
>  (for the business section, login with username terra, password sante)
>
> i've been keeping the email list up-to-date, and it's growing (240 at last
> count).  our
> next quarterly newsletter will be sent 1-2 weeks before the winter
> solstice.
>
> here's the newsletter archive & blog,
>  http://terrasante.org/community/blog.html
>
> so far, our website calendar has been well up-to-date for major events &
> workshops at
> terrasante.  i can update the calendar within a few days, as soon as i have
> the exact
> date time location etc for an item.  please email calendar items to
> news at terrasante.org
> (in plain text)
>
> here's our web calendar,
>  http://terrasante.org/community/calendar.html
>
> future/draft calendar items to-be-published can be found here,
>  http://terrasante.org/beta/calendar.html
>
> in my experience, workshops need to be posted with as much lead time as
> possible, even
> months ahead, and to be continued on a regular schedule as possible (eg,
> monthly).
> workshop organizers might be wise to advertise in many different media
> (newspapers
> flyers etc), and i like to link our calendar items to a webpage or
> flyer.pdf to provide
> more info from the original source.
>
> about harmony and health, i can set up email addresses at
> harmonyandhealth.org, and i am
> able to give technical support for h&h's website designer, whomever that
> might be,
> however i am not the right person to be h&h's ongoing website
> designer/editor.
>
> does anyone know of an unemployed web-designer who might be interested?
>  (in my opinion,
> tom's friend marnie, who is a graphic artist & photographer with experience
> in website
> production, might be good for this job - www.marniejean.com)
>
> here's harmony and health's website,
>  http://www.harmonyandhealth.org
>
> also, grant has suggested google sites for danny's personal website, which
> is a good
> easy way for anyone to put up a nice website or wiki, and it's free.
>  http://www.google.com/sites/overview.html
>
> see you at the community meeting tomorrow.
>
> e-yours,
> chris
>

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:04:02 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>, solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, brandon <brandon.selway at gmail>, grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>, cliff <cliff.winton at gmail>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>, amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>, amy <amymortier at gmail>
Cc: website at terrasante.org
Subject: re: terrasante website review & movie night - tonight 7pm

hi everyone,

just the website review will be tonight at 7pm, for less than an hour in the kohlberg home theatre (for a short time during the full moon festivities, instead of delaying almost another week)...

all are invited, and it should be interesting & important, especially in light of the recent wwoofer rebellion... (www.terrasante.org is no longer the only respectable information source about us on the internet)

chrisv at terrasante dot org

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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:21:07 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: danny <danny at terrasante>, solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>,
rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>,
tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian
<brianthewizard at yahoo>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana
<jetana01 at yahoo>, janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, brandon
<brandon.selway at gmail>, grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>, cliff
<cliff.winton at gmail>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm
<wfoster8560 at yahoo>, light <light at messagefromthesun>, amy
<amyjbelanger at gmail>, website at terrasante.org
Subject: Re: terrasante website review & movie night - wed or thurs ?

Saturday would be my next day. Friday afternoon I must to town.
Yes I wish to review websites ASAP for revisions. Content needs mounting
as I cannot diseeminate by email all the time, tis cumbersome.
Keep me posted.
Thanks,
Bruce

------
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:04:25 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>,
  solarbob <solarbob at terrasante>, rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>,
  victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>,
  tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>,
  david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>,
  janice <macrogypsy at hotmail>, brandon <brandon.selway at gmail>,
  grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>, cliff <cliff.winton at gmail>,
  deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>,
  light <light at messagefromthesun>, amy <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Cc: website at terrasante.org
Subject: terrasante website review & movie night - wed or thurs ?

hi everyone,

since the terrasante full moon gathering is tuesday december 1st, i'd like to suggest
changing the planned date of the combined community meeting, dinner, website review, and
movie night from tuesday to wednesday or thursday, whatever day bruce is not working at
the hospital.  danny's request to start at 4 pm instead of 6 pm is ok with me.

terrasante website review - after the community meeting, and possibly over dinner,
everyone is welcome to help review and suggest improvements for our website.

www.terrasante.org will be up on the big silver screen in the kohlberg home theatre,
starting at 6:30 pm for no more than an hour, followed by a movie to be decided by those
present (please bring a favorite)... see you!

chris

Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:50:25 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>, j'Etana <jetana01 at yahoo>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Subject: update for TSV website

Hey Chris,
Thank you for hosting a website review yesterday, I am sending this to
remind of changes.
Can we get the additional updated info. with regards to *
wwoofers/apprentices/volunteers* mounted soon please? I am often cut and
pasting this in emails.  It may be "rough", but maybe they should be able to
take a little rough if they're coming here! You may take the edge off any
really sharp spots.
 I don't find anything derogatory about the term woofer, I spose you could
spell it withy 2 ww's. Nobody really barks about that anyway.

I am rewriting the mission, call to action page, and community page. I will
more clearly define the nature of the relationship between TSV,Terrasante
Community, and the neighborhood.

I think we are agreed that food should be mentioned on the visitor page and
explicitly outlined in the update page already mentioned above.
The Wish list? page should specify that we are an arizona nonprofit(see the
community and mission page), and that federal tax deductable donations can
be earmarked for TSV
through H&H 501c3 with whom we affiliate.
Thank Yous would be great on the wish list too!
The Tuesday workday should say Harmonic Sauna not sweat lodge.
The projects page should read beneath What's going on here? "Projects in
progress or planned".
In the same vein under Permaculture should read "future plans"
On the to do list are two new priority items/woof related projects: First to
build a greenhouse. Second to streamline composting to garden soil flow.
Also I know we agreed to say "no alcohol at the fire circle" vs. no alcohol
at public events. Alcohol has rereatedly showed up, and the concern is
really out of bounds behavior, not the brewskis.

I will attach the updated mission, call to action, and community page.

Thanks for all your hard work on this.
Bruce

 CALL TO ACTION

- for sustainability policy <http://www.sustainabilitypolicy.org/> at all
levels of human endeavor from Wall Street boardrooms, to the halls of
Congress, and the kitchens and cafes of every American.

  - for development of decentralized point-of-use power generation with grid
tie capabilities which would decrease fossil fuel use, and maximize solar,
wind, and other non-CO2-producing technologies.  'THE SOUTWEST COULD EASILY
GENERATE POWER FOR ITSELF AND THE WHOLE USA WITH THE PROPER WILL TO DO
SO.True Homeland Security means energy independence.

  - for conversion to electric vehicular travel with plug-in capability and
utilization of existing and future renewable energy for transportation.
This to decrease CO2 production and diminish the smog haze.  ALSO FOR THE
CONVERSION OF EXISTING VEHICLES TO HYBRID OR ELECTRIC USING CURRENT AND
EMERGING TECHNOLOGY SUCH AS ELECTRIC WHEEL MOTORS. WE HAVE HAD VIABLE
ELECTRIC VEHICULAR TECHNOLOGY SINCE THE EARLY 1900'S. THE MAJOR IMPEDIMENTS
HAVE BEEN CORPORATE WILL AND GREED.

  - for development of solar furnaces for silica refinement.  This desert is
full of silica, which is the raw ingredient in silicon-based photovoltaics.
We need as many of these as possible to capture the sun's energy and store
it as electrical energy.  Most roofs should be covered with photovoltaic
panels.  It makes little sense to use massive amounts of energy from carbon
fuel sources to refine silica.  Silica can be refined at greatly reduced
carbon dioxide emission levels using the sun.

  - for development of novel methods, and improvement of existing ones,
(heat engines, Minto wheels, etc), with the goal of utilizing abundant low
level heat in hot water as a way to generate electricity.  Orville & Wilbur
Wright made airplanes out of kites and bicycles.  This problem deserves
similar devotion.  What would Ben Franklin do?

  - for development of Mesquite AND OTHER EXISTING NATIVE PLANTS, AS WELL AS
NATURALIZATION OF PLANTS FOR FOOD AND MEDICINAL USE. NATIVE MESQUITE COULD
BE an agricultural commodity (utilizing a food source already adapted to the
desert).  This with the goal PROVIDING A LOCAL SUSTAINABLE FOOD
SOURCE.Re-aquainting the
OODHAM people with this high fiber/low glycemic traditional food WOULD
REDUCE the toll (measurable in millions of dollars) which it exacts on their
lives through diabetes.

  - for exploring methods for reducing the amount of carbon in the
atmosphere by growing food and plants that remove carbon from the air.
Plants fix carbon as biomass which can then be used for other purposes, like
feeding goats to create milk and cheese, OR PROVIDING STRUCTURE AND
INSULATION FOR BUILDINGS AS IN COB AND STRAW BALE. WE SHOULD BE LOCKING
CARBON UP IN THIS WAY RATHER THAN BURNING CARBON IN SPINNING FIBERGLASS AND
FOAMING TOXIC MATERIALS.  We all need to think about what we can do to
minimize the amount of AIR BOUND carbon we produce on a daily basis.  Life
is full of choices at every moment...

  - for transmission of positive thinking, possibility generating, creative
HUMAN software- to the hearts and minds of people with the goal of improving
lives everywhere.  - such as the Intention
Process<http://www.intenders.com/>developed by Tony Burroughs, Wayne
Dyer, AND
OTHERS. FOR THE TEACHING OF PARTNERSHIP MODELS OF RELATIONSHIP AS OUTLINED
BY RIANE EISLER. WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE GIVING OUR CHILDREN THE TOOLS TO WORK
TOGETHER VERSUS THE OLD COMPETETIVE MODEL PARADIGM WE INSTILL IN THEM. THE
INCLUSION OF COMMUNICATION MODELS AND METHODS FOR GROUPS AS TOOLS IN
EDUCATION WOULD GREATLY ENHANCE OUR COLLECTIVE PRODUCTIVITY AND CREATIVITY
WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE FACE AHEAD. The world is full of people who love to
tell us why things can't be done.  A great leader once said: "Some people
look around the world and ask, 'Why?'  I look at the world and say 'Why
Not!'" -JFK

FOR ACCESS AND INSTRUCTION WORLD WIDE TO FERTILITY CONTROL. POPULATION
PRESSURES ARE LIKELY TO PROMOTE FURTHER ECOLOGIC DEGRADATION AND HUNGER. WE
SHOULD VALUE HIGHLY OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCE, HUMAN LIFE. OUR CHILDREN
SHOULD NOT LIVE IN POVERTY AND HUNGER, OR LACK FOR HEALTHCARE. THEIR WELL
BEING AND EDUCATION SHOULD BE OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY. HUMAN LIFE SHOULD NOT BE
TREATED AS A COMMODITY TO BE EXPLOITED BY GROUPS OF OTHER HUMANS. SLAVERY
WAS OUTLAWED IN THE USA MANY YEARS AGO, BUT THE MAGIC AND AMORALITY OF MONEY
MERELY EXPORTS ECONOMIC SLAVERY BEYOND VEIW. LOCALALIZING CURRENCIES
MINIMIZE THE IMPACT. THE CHOICES WE MAKE AT THE STORE EVERY DAY HELP CREATE
THE WORLD.

 COMMUNITY PAGE UPDATE
*Terra Sante* means sacred earth, and our name reflects the values that we
hold dear.  The earth we live on is sacred to us, and what we are creating
here reflects this belief.

TERRSANTE VILLAGE, HARMONY&HEALTH, KOKOPELI GARDENS, INTERSTELLAR LIGHT APP.
AND OTHER RESIDENTS COMPRISE TERRASANTE COMMUNITY. WE SHARE IN COMMON AN
INTEREST IN SUSTAINABILE LIVING, WORKING TOGETHER FOR COMMUNITY, AND
CREATIVE VENTURES TO DISCOVER AND EXPLORE THE POSSIBLITIES OF THE
SUSTAINABLE FUTURE. WE HAVE LAND/SPACE AVAILABLE, AND ARE LOOKING FOR NEW
PARTNERS OF SUBSTANCE AND VISION.

TERRASANTE VILLAGE IS  LOCATED ON 8 ACRES OF THE 160 THAT IS TERRASANTE
COMMUNITY. WE ARE located on a VALLEY mesquite plain BELOW THE OLD REMNANTS
OF THE ONCE MIGHTY SIERRITA MOUNTAINS in the sunny, magical Sonoran desert
20 miles southwest of Tucson Arizona.  We value the unique rich sense of
place it offers, and embrace aspects of the diverse cultures and ecology of
this area.

TERRASANTE VILLAGE IS AN ARIZONA NONPROFIT WITH SPECIFIC INTENTION. SEE OUR
MISSION STAEMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENTS. TERRASANTE VILLAGE WAS FOUNDED
2007 AS A RESOURCE FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND OTHERS TO WHOM WE CONNECT.
TERRASANTE VILLAGE IS SOMEWHAT THE FOCAL POINT OF TERRASANTE COMMUNITY, LOTS
OF PEOPLE COME THIS WAY ESPECIALLY IN WINTER. CHANGE IS THE RULE. TERRASANTE
COMMUNITY IS A DIVERSE COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS WITH KNOWLEDGE,
SKILLS AND QUIRKS WHO ARE WORKING ON MANY DIFFERENT BUT RELATED PROJECTS. WE
COME TOGTHER TO WORK IN COMMON, IT CAN BE A PROCESS GETTING TO AGREEMENT,
ALL OF WHICH IS PART OF THE EXPERIMENT IN SUSTAINABILITY. THERE ARE
OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN, TEACH, AND PLAY, SPONSORED BY VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY AT TIMES(INCLUDING TSV). THIS MIGHT INCLUDE YOGA, MEDITATION, TAI
CHI, CLASSES IN PERMACULTURE, ELECTROMAGNETICS, GARDENING, EARTH
ARCHITECTURE, MUSIC, DRUMMING, NATURAL HEALING, TOOL/WORKSHOP RELATED
SKILLS, NATIVE SKILLS, ETC.

RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES ABOUND. WE ARE NEAR TO TUCSON, SAGUARO NAT'L PARK,
DESERT MUSEUM, KITT PEAK OBSERVATORY, OLD TUCSON STUDIOS, ETC.THERE IS
HIKING AND BIKING AND MUCH TO EXPLORE.

Mission Statement

The mission of TerraSante Village is to discover, develop, and disseminate
sustainable ways of designing and living in human villages, which minimize
CO2 generation, beginning with locally appropriate solutions.

This mission views TerraSante Village as a laboratory AND COMMUNITY
RESOURCE for
projects in solar and wind energy, electric and hybrid vehicle conversion,
permaculture and local agriculture, cost / energy efficient and bioharmonic
housing, community development, personal and social software for healthy
community, etc.

The mission includes education and service.  We intend to develop
opportunities and manifest positive intentions for the highest and best
good.  For collaboration we seek knowledgable, skilled individuals and
groups dedicated to the highest and best good for our living mother - planet
earth - and her children.  Also see Call to
Action...<http://www.terrasante.org/community/action.html>

TerraSante is a word with Latin roots - it means sacred earth - please
behave accordingly.

<http://www.terrasante.org/community/photos.html>
A Poem about TerraSante
A place in the sun, a place under stars.
A place for earth as architecture, architecture as sculpture.
A place to muse or just to be, a place for song and poetry.
A place to drum and dance around a fire.
A place where nature might inspire.
A place for permaculture, gardening, growing.
A place for experiments in eco-tech tinkering.
A place to manifest possibilities.

<http://www.terrasante.org/community/photos.html>

Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:43:18 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>
Subject: tipi text for website

 Hi Chris,
Text content for the website to go with photos Andy has taken. Do you have
my camera? Printer/computor #2 not working here, can we geta fix?
Thanks,
Bruce

Tipis project

We have some very windy days, with dust devils that have often made short
work of tents. We were looking for a relatively robust and low cost shelter
from wind, sun, and rain. Tipis by design shed wind and are an indigenous
structural solution to environmental harshness. We think there is potential
shelter in this design for many people who are currently homeless.

5-6' Poles we harvested from Flagstaff were thinned from forests vulnerable
to fire from lack of thinning. Poles are probably available somewhere
closer, like on Mt. Lemmon, but the thought of driving our long trailer
there was discouraging, and we have friends to visit in Flag.. The poles
were brought to Tucson by us on our long trailer, a load of about 60 poles,
about 25 feet long on average. They are not straight like the poles found
further north in Montana and Wyoming., they curve and twist a bit, we got
some very arcing poles to play with on other projects. Cost us about $300
fuel and food, etc.

We were faced with the dilemma of how to use the traditional method of
moving the poles out to maintain a taut cover against the wind. Because they
twist our poles would always have length not contacting the cover, thus
leaving the cover vulnerable to wind, or at least flapping annoyingly. We
decided to fix the cover to the poles, and fix the poles in the ground. This
tipi is more permanent. The poles were installed in a circular fashion 16
feet diameter, about 24' deep , having been painted, wrapped with with
plastic and duct tape to prevent termite, and cemented/limed up sand around
each post to harden the soil, and shed water. The poles were lashed together
at the top with old wiring (dead extension cords).

Recycled Vinyl billboard covering measuring about maybe 16ftx 50ft was
obtained for $50 (in our case an ad for a fast food burrito) . We wrapped
the rectangular cover to a conical surface with the 'best quick fit/least
cut' method as an arc beginning near the door. It was necessary to trim a
piece off and use the remnant to cover the last two spaces between poles.
The vinyl was tacked to poles using roofing screws and fender washers along
the top and bottom. Over top we put layers of carpet torn from someones
house, donated for free, available at dumpsters behind carpeting stores,
etc. These were fixed pile side down (for insulation), about every twelve
inches. In places where the carpeting pieces overlap we sometimes used
longer deck screws. Hardware cost perhaps of $100. About 400 screws. The
carpet was pieced with outside overlap like shingles as we worked up from
the lowest uncovered area. Some creativity is required to cut and fit
pieces. We ended with a covering that resembles large pieces of bark. The
back side of the carpet will be painted with left over recycled latex paint
to protect against UV and keep the pile underneath dry. Total materials cost
on this project, let's say $300. Took us about 2-3 days with 3-4 people
helping. Ladders were helpful.

Bruce Scher 12/2009

Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:29:18 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Cc: David Eisenberg <strawnet at gmail>, Rich-Franz-Under at pima.gov
Subject: TSV website educational content re: ferrocement and sustainability

Hey Chris,
Can we mount content below under Earth architecture on the website? Can we
get the PDF for ferrocement model code mounted as well?
Thanks,
Bruce

Ferrocement and sustainability at Terrasante Village

A part of our mission at TSV is to experiment with what is not extensively
utilized in order to identify methods and materials which may be key to our
future survival especially if they can knock out CO2 emissions. This is our
contribution to the sustainability puzzle. It will take many people and
groups working on these issues to solve them. Those answers will come from
the field. Just as genetic diversity allows for plants to adapt to new
environments, our strength as a species and survival depends on many small
groups working on these problems simultaneously in their local areas and
networking. Think of us all as a parallel processor. Those solutions will
come from the bottom up.

It is important to explore the ways which people which have solved human
needs that are sparing of resources. In the realm of shelter we have
experimented with earthbag as a building material. (link to
http://calearth.org/ ,http://www.okokok.org/ )  Earth is locally available,
cost little, and has performed wonderfully from an energy/comfort
standpoint. We find ferrocement to be particularly helpful when combined
with earthbag for stabilization and integration of disparate elements into
the whole. Ferrocement is essentially a web of steel&silica fabric typically
an inch or less thick which can be fixed to any shape and is incredibly
strong when tugged, pushed, or flexed. The method is used worldwide for 50+
years in many communities for public buildings, homes, water tanks, boat
hulls, and decorative elements. (links http://www.ferrocement.com/ ,
http://www.ferrocement.net/ http://www.ferrocement.org/)

The ferrocement method is in use as a solution for vulnerable buildings in
earthquake zones (links http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1663817,
http://www.am-cor.com/media/ferro_cement_8_paper.pdf,
http://www.uet.edu.pk/export/sites/UETWebPortal/research/researchinfo/journal/volume2/8.pdf,
http://imacwww.epfl.ch/Publications/StructuralDynamics/ElGawady-Lestuzzi-Badoux-state_art-13IBMaC.pdfFerrocement
box structures as precast/ lower cost, high strength structural
elements have also been developed for flooring and roofing of buildings.
(links http://www.bhrc.ac.ir/Publication/AJCE/PDF/Vol6-No6/kumar-7.pdf )

 While ferrocement involves the use of materials which are energy intensive
(steel and cement), they may make it possible to eliminate the need for
other energy intensive materials or components, and pay for themselves in
energy usage savings later on by permitting the use of existing materials
which were otherwise problematic. While being labor intensive, ferrocement
also allows small groups and individuals to construct structures that would
otherwise require high cost, specialized equipment, or raw materials not
locally available/easily transportable. It is a boon to small communities.

Ferrocement also allows for incredible possibility of design. It is a
sculptors dream. Curved, domed, arched, vaulted, wavy, far-out spaces can be
built which not only please the eye, they also stimulate the imagination and
spirit. Such buildings provide an energetic quality which feels different
than the rectangular boxes we are used to.

We see the potential for ferrocement to meet many human needs while
maintaining an aesthetic quality. The material speaks to sustainability, it
speaks to locality, it speaks to poorer communities.

Ferrocement model code has been developed internationally. (link to PDF on
our website). Another good resource on technical properties and testing is
Naaman's book *Ferrocement & Laminated Cementious Composites *(link
http://www.springerlink.com/content/m056n710802p173t/ ).

Bruce Scher 12/2009

Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:51:48 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: call to action upgrade for website with links added

  - for sustainability policy <http://www.sustainabilitypolicy.org/> at all
levels of human endeavor from Wall Street boardrooms, to the halls of
Congress, and the kitchens and cafes of every American. For example,
policies with price guarantees such as those adopted in Europe have
facilitated the development and deployment of solar farms.
http://www.cbc.ca/toronto/features/solar/owning.html We really do face an
extinction level emergency http://www.chicagocleanpower.org/ward.pdf. Our
leaders could be doing more sooner. They need people to tell them so.

  - for development of decentralized point-of-use power generation with grid
tie capabilities which would decrease fossil fuel use, and maximize solar,
wind, and other non-CO2-producing technologies.  The southwest US could
easily generate power for itself and the whole USA with the proper will to
do so. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_37/b3950067_mz018.htm We
can build war machines at a zillion dollars each. We should be building
these instead. True Homeland Security means energy independence.

  - for conversion to electric vehicular travel with plug-in capability and
utilization of existing and future renewable energy for transportation.
http://www.eaaev.org/  This to decrease CO2 production and diminish the
smog haze.  Also for the conversion of existing vehicles to hybrid or
electric using current and emerging technology such as electric wheel
motors. We have had viable electric vehicular technology since the early
1900's. The major impediments have been corporate will (or lack thereof),
and greed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

  - for development of solar furnaces for silica refinement.
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0256-307X/26/7/078103 This desert is full of
silica, which is the raw ingredient in silicon-based photovoltaics.  We need
as many of these as possible to capture the sun's energy and store it as
electrical energy.  Most roofs should be covered with photovoltaic panels.
It makes little sense to use massive amounts of energy from carbon fuel
sources to refine silica.  Silica can be refined at greatly reduced carbon
dioxide emission levels using the sun.

  - for development of novel, and improvement of existing methods of
utilizing abundant low level heat in hot water as a way to generate
electricity. (Minto wheels, heat engines, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minto_wheel ) Orville & Wilbur Wright made
airplanes out of kites and bicycles.  This problem deserves similar
devotion.  What would Ben Franklin do?

  - for development of Mesquite and other existing native plants, as well as
naturalization of plants for food and medicinal use. Native mesquite could
be an agricultural commodity (utilizing a food source already adapted to the
desert).
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WH9-45S4S4M-10&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1127926211&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c76efb58433d88a596fef19e28dd2561,
http://food.oregonstate.edu/glossary/m/mesquite.html  This with the goal of
providing a local sustainable food source. Re-aquainting the Oodham people
with this high fiber/low glycemic traditional food would reduce the toll
(measurable in millions of dollars) which it exacts on their lives through
diabetes.

  - for exploring methods for reducing the amount of carbon in the
atmosphere by growing food and plants that remove carbon from the air.
Plants fix carbon as biomass which can then be used for other purposes, like
feeding goats to create milk and cheese, or providing structure and
insulation for buildings as in cob and straw bale. We should probably be
locking carbon up in this way rather than burning carbon in spinning
fiberglass and foaming toxic materials to make hi-tech buildings.  We all
need to think about what we can do to minimize the amount of air bound
carbon we produce on a daily basis.  Life is full of choices at every
moment...

  - for transmission of positive thinking, possibility generating, creative
human software- to the hearts and minds of people with the goal of improving
lives everywhere.  - such as the Intention
Process<http://www.intenders.com/>developed by Tony Burroughs, Wayne
Dyer, and others. for the teaching of
partnership models of relationship as outlined by Riane Eisler
http://www.rianeeisler.com/partnership.htm . we should at least be giving
our children the tools to work together versus the old Competitive model
paradigm we instill in them. The inclusion of communication models and
methods for groups as tools in education would greatly enhance our
collective productivity and creativity with regards to what we face ahead.
The world is full of people who love to tell us why things can't be done.  A
great leader once said: "Some people look around the world and ask, 'Why?'
I look at the world and say 'Why not!'" -JFK

-for access and instruction world wide to fertility control. Population
pressures are likely to promote further ecologic degradation and hunger. We
should value highly our most precious resource, human life. Our children
should not live in poverty and hunger, or lack for health care. Their well
being and education should be our highest priority. Human life should not be
treated as a commodity to be exploited by groups of other humans. Slavery
was outlawed in the USA many years ago, but the magic and amorality of money
merely exports economic slavery beyond view. Localizing currencies minimize
the impact. The choices we make at the store every day help create the
world.

Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:52:47 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Website update for communities page

*Terra Sante* means sacred earth, and our name reflects the values that we
hold dear.  The earth we live on is sacred to us, and what we are creating
here reflects this belief.

Terrasante Village, Harmony&Health, Kokopeli Gardens, Interstellar Light
App. and other residents comprise Terrasante Community. We share in common
an interest in sustainable living, working together for community, and
creative ventures to discover and explore the possibilities of the
sustainable future. Terrasante Community has land/space available, and are
looking for new partners of substance and vision.

Terrasante Village is located on 8 acres of the 160 that is Terrasante
Community. We live on a valley mesquite plain below the old remnants of the
once mighty Sierrita mountains, now only 6000ft., in the sunny, magical
Sonoran desert 20 miles southwest of Tucson Arizona.  We value the unique
rich sense of place it offers, and embrace aspects of the diverse cultures
and ecology of this area.

Terrasante Village is an Arizona nonprofit with specific intention. See our
mission statement and neighborhood agreements. Terrasante Village was
founded 2008 as a resource for this community and others to whom we connect.
Terrasante Village is somewhat the focal point of Terrasante Community, lots
of people come this way especially in winter, change is the rule. Terrasante
Community is a diverse collection of individuals and groups with knowledge,
skills and quirks who are working on many different but related projects. We
come together to work in common, it can be a process getting to agreement,
all of which is part of the experiment in sustainability. There are
opportunities to learn, teach, and play, sponsored by various members of the
community at times(including TSV). this might include yoga, meditation, tai
chi, classes in permaculture, electromagnetics, gardening, earth
architecture, music, drumming, natural healing, tool/workshop related
skills, native skills, etc.

Recreation opportunities abound. we are near to Tucson, Saguaro Nat'l park,
the Desert Museum, Kitt Peak observatory, Old Tucson studios, etc. There is
hiking and biking and much to explore.

Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:56:20 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: update for TSV website mission statement

  Mission Statement

The mission of TerraSante Village is to discover, develop, and disseminate
sustainable ways of designing and living in human villages, which minimize
CO2 generation, beginning with locally appropriate solutions.

This mission views TerraSante Village as a laboratory and community
resourcefor projects in solar and wind energy, electric and hybrid
vehicle
conversion, permaculture and local agriculture, cost / energy efficient and
bioharmonic housing, community development, personal and social software for
healthy community, etc.

The mission includes education and service.  We intend to develop
opportunities and manifest positive intentions for the highest and best
good.  For collaboration we seek knowledgeable, skilled individuals and
groups dedicated to the highest and best good for our living mother - planet
earth - and her children.  Also see Call to Action...

TerraSante is a word with Latin roots - it means sacred earth - please
behave accordingly.

 A Poem about TerraSante

A place in the sun, a place under stars.

A place for earth as architecture, architecture as sculpture.

A place to muse or just to be, a place for song and poetry.

A place to drum and dance around a fire.

A place where nature might inspire.

A place for permaculture, gardening, growing.

A place for experiments in eco-tech tinkering.

A place to manifest possibilities.

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:25:07 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Subject: website?

Chris,
What's going on with the website? I would like to show updated content.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:19:37 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Kiki <kiki.navarro at pima>, Sharon Bronson <district3 at pima>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, "Amy J. Belanger" <amyjbelanger at aol>
Subject: The mission of TerraSante Village and conditional use permits

Dear Kiki and Sharon,
Thank you for taking time speak with me. I appreciate your patience, as we
find our way through the maze of bureaucracy. I look forward to meeting You
8 Jan., 10AM.
As you know we are applying for conditional use permits for TerraSante
Village.

What is TerraSante Village about?
Terrasante Village was founded here in June 2008, by the three of us  (Bruce
Scher, Rick Hubbs, and Amy Belanger) as a living laboratory for
sustainability. We are addressing sustainablity and survival issues which
loom on the horizon for humanity. We are doing so from a local/grass roots
level in our local community. We wish to share what we learn with the world
so that all may benefit. We have ongoing experiments in permaculture and
plants, utilization of native plants, earthen shelter, solar and wind
energy, electric vehicles, recycling, communication, etc.
We envision this place as somewhere that Thomas Edison, Ben Franklin, and
Thomas Jefferson would enjoy to visit! We are creative individuals making a
contribution to community at all levels. We envision Terrasante Village as
an educational resource to assist in the adoption of sustainable living
practices. Indeed we have a continual stream of international visitors who
come to contribute, learn, and inform. We are a link to the world and the
future. More can be found on our website, http://www.terrasante.org/

Why to do this?
Reading Peter Ward's "Impact from the Deep" in Scientific American,
www.chicagocleanpower.org/*ward*.*pdf*  woke me up to the peril we leave our
children. We enter a period of mass extinction as is already existing six
times in the rock record. These are carbon events driving sulfur chemistry
in the oceans. We are in deep* "doodoo"* with regard to our climate future,
unless we act now, all of us! We need to keep the carbon out of the air, in
the ground. There are big challenges to do this, as you know. At Terrasante
Village we are taking a stand for sustainability and hope to inspire others
to do the same. Arizona is an *easier* piece with abundant solar energy. We
Arizonans should be the leaders in that!

How to do this?
With impending mass extinction, genetic diversity is our great treasure that
we risk losing. Monoculture was responsible for starvation of the Irish in
the potato famine.
As witnessed by the tomatoes naturalized to the garden at Terrasante, a
library with enough genes to experiment can lead to adaptation during
climate change. Survival for plants here in the Sonoran desert is survival
for us.
Terrasante Village is like one of those genes. We are one of the many
experiments that must be undertaken at the local level everywhere to solve
the sustainability issues. All of us working together on this, perhaps we
are like a giant computer! It will take all people everywhere working on
this problem to succeed. We need to learn cooperative communication tools
and teach them to our kids. Much of our popular culture revolves around
competition and teaches violence as a way of problem solving. We can serve
the future and our descendants by teaching & supporting the partnership
models of relations.

Why am I doing this?
A brief note about my own service. Terrasante Village is dedicated as a
laboratory to sustainability. I have been told we are "*not really"* a
nonprofit! Other people can argue about whether we are really a non-profit
or not. I can tell you this, I am not in it for my own personal gain, and it
costs me lots of money. For-debt is perhaps a better descriptor! I will be
happy if future generations can benefit.
I could easily live in an apartment somewhere "raking in" my nurse earnings,
going to Vegas to party. There are many times when I would rather be
watching TV, but I have no time for that. I work 12 hour shifts at the
hospital, and on my days off I work 12 hour days at Terrasante. I need a
vacation!
I do believe in doing what is right for those who will follow. I am of the
understanding that we face an immense challenge to our very survival,
especially here in a marginal desert environment. The work we are doing
contributes to a body of knowledge and mindshare that is vital to the
continued thrival of Pima County, and in fact can give Pima county a
reputation for being a progressive leader.
We have already filed nonprofit paper work in 2008 with the Az corporation
commission with the intention of forwarding our sustainability goals in the
greater world, and attracting help to the cause of sustainability. I would
like to have 501c3 papers too, but we need someone to help get that done. I
hate paperwork, we operate on volunteer and community help. I prefer to
build things, I don't mind writing and drawing. I am willing to be parent to
this idea that is Terrasante Village. That is my service.

 The importance of facilitating conditional use permits:
There will be a need for many experiments in sustainability, probably many
things which classify outside the narrow zoning boxes and building
definitions. Allow for diversity!
Despite having a sustainability coordinator, the development services dept.
seems mostly programmed for the current unsustainable practices. It would
best serve the citizens of Pima County to make the process of permitting
alternatives easier and not too expensive. People would begin to view that
department as a partner rather than an obstacle.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce Scher

 PS: Our experience with the Development Services Dept.thus far:
Thus far our experience in obtaining the required papers of the Pima County
Development Services dept. has been frustrating to say the least. There
seems to be inherent disorganization, with 3 different people giving 3
different instructions, us trying to figure out who to follow, wasting time,
trips downtown etc..
 After being given instructions to download/print the application form, we
filled the form out, and to the best of our ability supplied what we
thought were requested documents. (tax maps, preliminary development plan,
cover letter, $50 check, etc.) We filed the application with development
services dept. 24 November, being unclear as to whether our fee was Type
I,II,or III.  These fees ranging $234-$563. Other documents such as
"biological impact report", etc we were told/hoped was unnecessary. None of
this is clearly defined on the application form, there are no
instructions. We fully expected to be guided as to additional specifics
needed. After calling up/emailing for a status update, and being told that
"revisions" were needed, we came in to address specific needs, pay fees,
etc. as instructed, 9 Dec.  That day, 9  Dec., we were told that the
application had been returned to us by US snail mail, and that we needed to
supply a site plan (that requirement is not listed on the application form),
that the application would need to be resubmitted with a site plan, and that
the the fees would increase from $414 to $1310 as of 10 Dec.. This letter
was dated 3 Dec., in an envelope postmarked 7 Dec, received with our
returned application materials in my mailbox 10 Dec. , a day that I had
hospital work until 8 PM.  With the courtesy of a timely phone or email
update, we could have met that deadline!
We worked hard to create a site plan, ready for submittal by 15 Dec. but
were told that this was too late, and we had "already" been given an extra
week, and the fee would stand at $1310. We expect to have the $1310 dollars
by payday 8 Jan., but feel the victims of negligence here.

Some suggestions with regard to facilitating conditional use permits:
1. A road map in writing which includes clear instructions as to
*specifics*needed for a complete application. Could be online.
2. An illustrative example of a fully complete application. Could be online.
Clear definitions of options (type I,II,III). How do we know?
3. A timeline on process. If there were deadlines, wouldn't *you* want
plenty of advance notice, so as to be able to meet the deadline?
4. Timely and clear communication. Face to face meetings are good but too
many meetings eats up time. A written/email acknowledgement of receipt of
application, when to expect a response, updates by email, and certainly
telephone notice of impending deadlines.

I do appreciate the specific feedback I have received from the department
and their patience with us who would be considered novice/unfamiliar with
the process. I appreciate that the word service in Development Services
really does mean service.

Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:58:44 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: re: The mission of TerraSante Village and conditional use permits

hi bruce,

did you leave the stuff to scan and the pdf printout somewhere for me?  there were many possibilities on your kitchen table... could you put it in a file folder or envelope with my name on it?

looks like naaman's book is for sale online - $34 to download the complete pdf from springerlink.  if you want to excerpt a page or two and post on terrasante website with a link to buy the book at springerlink, that might be fair use.

also i've been considering some important reasons why facebook, myspace, etc are not appropriate for terrasante, will explain at next meeting...

chris

Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:13:58 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: The mission of TerraSante Village and conditional use permits

Hi Chris,
I will scan the files for the website today in town. Everything was closed
on 1 Jan. I have Naaman's book. It is a technical treatise. It is not the
same as Ferrocement Model Code which was published out of Thailand- not
available except perhaps through us in future. Naaman sent us his copy, but
we should delete his hand scrawled name on the front.  Building codes should
be widely available, that is the whole point. OK to make a link to Springer
for Naaman's book on ferrocement.
Thanks,
Bruce

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:58 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi bruce,
>
> did you leave the stuff to scan and the pdf printout somewhere for me?
>  there were many possibilities on your kitchen table... could you put it in
> a file folder or envelope with my name on it?
>
> looks like naaman's book is for sale online - $34 to download the complete
> pdf from springerlink.  if you want to excerpt a page or two and post on
> terrasante website with a link to buy the book at springerlink, that might
> be fair use.
>
> also i've been considering some important reasons why facebook, myspace,
> etc are not appropriate for terrasante, will explain at next meeting...
>
> chris
>

Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:43:12 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Brian Basser <bjbasser at yahoo>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Cliff Winton <cliff.winton at gmail>
Subject: re: Website Content for harmonic sauna

hi bruce & brian et al,

there are 2 new terrasante webpages for the harmonic sauna, and the ferrocement code pdf has a link on the earth architecture page, or you can give people the link directly as below...

  http://www.terrasante.org/projects/hsauna.html
  http://www.terrasante.org/projects/hsauna2.html

  http://www.terrasante.org/media/ferrocementcode2001ifs.pdf

also, your original 2 harmonic sauna pdf's are downloadable but not linked on the website.  they would need to be boosted to max contrast, rotated 90, and combined into a single document if you want to publish as pdf.  (the 2nd webpage "harmonic sauna plans" has improved versions of all the drawings, at 1/4 of original resolution and 1/10 of the diskspace/bandwidth.)  here are your original pdf's...

  http://www.terrasante.org/media/hsauna12c.pdf
  http://www.terrasante.org/media/hsauna16g.pdf

e-yours, chris

p.s. both linux computers in the house are working, and printers should be interchangeable.  i believe the 2nd computer already has good media drivers.  the only things wrong with it are a slightly flaky graphics card (i'll look for a replacement), and the internal clock backup battery simply needs to be replaced (do we have any computer-hardware-literate wwoofers?).  meanwhile that computer should go to sleep when not in use, and not be turned off completely.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:57:58 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Cliff Winton <cliff.winton at gmail>
Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: help?

OK thanks Cliff. Many requests here for a working printer & 2nd computor if
we can make that happen. 1st computor could have same linux driver for the
HP printer I'm thinking? It also needs a media driver as we cannot access
video or audio content. I would appreciate if you guys could help on that. I
will forward administrator access codes from Grant.
Thanks,
Bruce

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:20:57 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Cliff Winton <Cliff.Winton at gmail>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: help?

Hey Cliff,
Just wondering if you can help us with getting a printer enabled computor
here? That one died.  Also what is the status of the PDF for ferrocement
model code with regard to removal of Naaman's hand scrawled name from the
first page? I would like to make this building code freely available.
Thanks
Bruce

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:53:51 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Brian Basser <bjbasser at yahoo>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>,
  Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: Website Content for harmonic sauna

Hey Brian & Chris,
Here is website content for a button (H&H) or project page(TSV). Should
mount on TSV site until the H&H site is functional. Some photos would be
good. Note the attachments above should be links for the plans to be
available.
I will dig out the text of 'Healing Sanctuary' for editing- should also
probably have it's own button at the H&H website.
Thanks, Bruce

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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:13:58 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: The mission of TerraSante Village and conditional use permits

Hi Chris,
I will scan the files for the website today in town. Everything was closed
on 1 Jan. I have Naaman's book. It is a technical treatise. It is not the
same as Ferrocement Model Code which was published out of Thailand- not
available except perhaps through us in future. Naaman sent us his copy, but
we should delete his hand scrawled name on the front.  Building codes should
be widely available, that is the whole point. OK to make a link to Springer
for Naaman's book on ferrocement.
Thanks,
Bruce

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:58 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi bruce,
>
> did you leave the stuff to scan and the pdf printout somewhere for me?
>  there were many possibilities on your kitchen table... could you put it in
> a file folder or envelope with my name on it?
>
> looks like naaman's book is for sale online - $34 to download the complete
> pdf from springerlink.  if you want to excerpt a page or two and post on
> terrasante website with a link to buy the book at springerlink, that might
> be fair use.
>
> also i've been considering some important reasons why facebook, myspace,
> etc are not appropriate for terrasante, will explain at next meeting...
>
> chris

Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:37:23 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, Brian Basser <bjbasser at yahoo>
Cc: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Tim Castleman <aztc at awebiz>, Bob Stanton <stanton at ecern>
Subject: re: Fwd: Disk Usage Warning critical - Harmony and Health

hi all, and thanks to brian for the fwd.

disk usage is now back down to 140 mb of 200 mb.

i've set a few new limits and warning parameters on the server, so something like this hopefully won't get so critical so fast, if ever.

the big problem was a 23mb email attachment sent from a dear friend of terrasante (chazbro) who was even here on the land at the time.  (there is now a 5mb limit on incoming email, and normally almost all email is immediately forwarded to eveyone's gmail or whatever, and not stored on the server.)

possibly due to a bug in the email server, a few days ago when i thought i'd deleted that message via pop3 access, it stayed on the server's disk drive.  just now, i had to manually delete that 23mb email file via brute ftp access, along with a few others.

i also deleted 20mb of old web stuff from before my time.  we now have plenty of space for the new harmony and health website which brian is creating...

for those who haven't heard yet, a couple months ago on behalf of terrasante village, i did ask tim if we could have a few more 100mb's of disk space for video content, but he recommended youtube instead, and i agree with his opinions on the current internet video situation.  thanks to tim for his excellent support for harmonyandhealth.org and terrasante.org !!!

any future problems or questions, please email me directly. (i can't help if you don't ask ;)

thanks everyone,
chris v

http://terrasante.org

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:55:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Basser <bjbasser at yahoo>
To: vansprouts at mac
Cc: wfoster8560 at yahoo
Subject: Fwd: Disk Usage Warning critical -  Harmony and Health

Not me...
How about you chris?

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo> wrote:

> From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
> Subject: Fwd: Disk Usage Warning critical -  Harmony and Health
> To: "Brian Basser" <bjbasser at yahoo>
> Cc: "Tom Mendola" <tmendola at gmail>, "Bob Stanton" <stanton at ecern>, "Tim Castleman" <tim at awebiz>
> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:09 PM
> Brian:
> >  Did you add any files to the Harmony and
> Health website?  Is there anything you
> can do to get the disk usage  down?  I see no
> reason why it is using 196 Mbs of storage.
> > Thanks,
> Will
> > William Foster, PhD
> > Faculty Associate
> > Science, Technology, and Society
> > Arizona State University Polytechnic
> > publications at http://www.FosterandBrahm.com
> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, awebiz.com
> <aztc at awebiz> wrote:
> > From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
> Subject: Fwd: Disk Usage Warning critical
> To: "William Foster"
> <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:06 AM
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message
> ----------
> From:  <aztc at awebiz>
> Date: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:12 PM
> > Subject: Disk Usage Warning critical
> To: aztc at awebiz.com, aztc at awebiz.com
> > > The account with the username 'harmonya' (harmonyandhealth.org),
> is running out of disk space.
> > > > > Please remove some files from this account, or ask the
> administrator to increase your disk quota.
> > > > This account has used 95.80% (191.60/200.00 Megs) of their
> disk space.
> > > > !! Do not respond to this message. Your reply will go
> nowhere. !!
> > > > > -- > Tim Castleman
> PO Box 255465
> Sacramento, CA  95865-5465
> Phone:  571-249-3337
> Fax: 208-979-9846
> > "It is difficult to get a man to understand something
> when his job depends on not understanding it."
> >  Upton Sinclair
>  US novelist & socialist
> politician (1878 - 1968)

Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:41:36 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: core at terrasante.org
Subject: testing core at terrasante.org

hi all,

this is a sample/test message sent to core at terrasante.org (please tell me if you didn't get it :)

emails sent to core at terrasante.org will auto-forward to bruce, bob, chris, danny, rick.  please use core at terrasante.org for inside communications sent only to core at terrasante.org (like this one), or we'll eventually get spammed from someone outside terrasante.

emails sent to hello at terrasante.org and info at terrasante.org will auto-forward to bruce, chris, rick.  hello at terrasante.org is our public email address on the terrasante website for first-contacts (also for our public listings at wwoofusa.org, ic.org, etc). hello at terrasante.org replaces our old public address info at terrasante.org which will eventually fade away.

  core at terrasante.org -> chrisv, danny, rick, scher, solarbob at terrasante.org
  hello at terrasante.org -> chrisv, rick, scher at terrasante.org

if you ever want to be on or off either of these auto-forwarders, just send your request to core at terrasante.org or hello at terrasante.org and i'll take care of it asap.

also, we all have terrasante email addresses which forward as follows:

  chrisv at terrasante.org -> vansprouts at mac
  danny at terrasante.org -> dannyatterrasante at yahoo
  rick at terrasante.org -> nativeseed.rick at gmail
  scher at terrasante.org -> bscher11 at gmail
  solarbob at terrasante.org -> 4corners4u at gmail

again, if you send me any change requests, i'll take care of it asap.

e-yours,
chrisv at terrasante dot org

Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:42:34 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: hello at terrasante.org
Subject: testing hello at terrasante.org

hi all,

this is a sample/test message sent to hello at terrasante.org (please tell me if you didn't get it :)

emails sent to hello at terrasante.org and info at terrasante.org will auto-forward to bruce, chris, rick.  hello at terrasante.org is our public email address on the terrasante website for first-contacts (also for our public listings at wwoofusa.org, ic.org, etc). hello at terrasante.org replaces our old public address info at terrasante.org which will eventually fade away.

  hello at terrasante.org -> chrisv, rick, scher at terrasante.org

if you ever want to be on or off this auto-forwarder, just send your request to core at terrasante.org or hello at terrasante.org and i'll take care of it asap.

e-yours,
chrisv at terrasante dot org

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:40:01 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: grant <mrgranthaywood at gmail>
Subject: computor problems

Hey Chris,
Can you triage the right side computor, it no longer functions.
 Also How do we get a multipin printer connector for the Left side computor
for the laserjet6? Is there an adapter? Do we need another working computor?
Also my laptop fan is going out. I have a replacement laptop, but would like
to run ubuntu, not XP. Can someone help me with setup?
Also thanks for your good suggestions yesterday with regard to permits.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:47:30 -0400
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Susan Renna <susanrenna at gmail>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, "Amy J. Belanger" <amyjbelanger at aol>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, David Eisenberg <strawnet at gmail>
Subject: Design contest for TerraSante Village website

We could host on the website a shelter design contest.
I am thinking of a "prize" purse contest for a basic 200 ft2 bedroom space
to be built as shelter for TSV residents.These we could replicate.
 The design would be totally passive solar, earthbagish/earthshipish, under
$1000 materials to build, mostly local, etc.
We would host as free-open source/downloadable a  set of the
(engineer/architect stamped) plans for usage by anyone.
The person  whose outfit/name is stamped there would no doubt become in
demand for doing larger/ complex  designs.
Thus it would be possible meet our shelter needs here, while serving that of
others, and stimulating interest in earth shelter as housing. Could move a
lot of things along....
Please comment with any ideas on this,
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:43:20 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Susan Renna <susanrenna at gmail>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, "Amy J. Belanger" <amyjbelanger at aol>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, David Eisenberg <strawnet at gmail>
Cc: Ranjit Sinha <ranjit_sinha1947 at yahoo.co.in>, jEtana Allison <jetana01 at yahoo>, Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>, William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
Subject: re: Design contest for TerraSante Village website

good idea!

here's my shelter design contest entry, also presented at ranjit's building workshop here last october (www.kepfound.org/building.html), and discussed in some local permaculture meetings last year,
  http://cv.metasofa.org/rebardome.html

at ranjit's request, i drafted this design for bpl housing (for families below poverty level) in bihar india, to use seven 40-foot lengths of rebar to make a 22-foot diameter geodesic dome.  a 16-foot diameter dome would be 200 sq-ft.

also see my 'burning man tent' 16-ft diam dome, made of 1/2-inch conduit pipe, which is currently set up at my terrasante campsite if you'd like to check it,
  http://cv.metasofa.org/dome06.html

as noted on these webpages, various materials or combinations can be used for the floor/walls/roof - concrete, earth/adobe, strawbale, fabric+glue shell, tent canvas, greenhouse plastic, or live leafy vines, depending on purpose and climate.  organic or living materials (bamboo, vines) could be used for the framework instead of metal.  my preferences are for lightweight, tensile, and living materials.

to demonstrate sustainable housing and organic reclamation of barren land, i am proposing to build a fully functional prototype livingspace & greenhouse, which would also be my home for the next few years, on about 1/4 acre (somewhere off-grid and currently barren) in the terrasante neighborhood, zoning codes permitting...

chris

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 at 11:29, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail> wrote:
> good idea,...!
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Susan Renna <susanrenna at gmail > <mailto:susanrenna at gmail>> wrote:
> >  Good idea
> >  2010/3/16 Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante.org
>  <mailto:scher at terrasante>>
> >  We could host on the website a shelter design contest.
>  I am thinking of a "prize" purse contest for a basic 200 ft2
>  bedroom space to be built as shelter for TSV residents.These we
>  could replicate.
>  The design would be totally passive solar,
>  earthbagish/earthshipish, under $1000 materials to build, mostly
>  local, etc.
>  We would host as free-open source/downloadable a  set of the
>  (engineer/architect stamped) plans for usage by anyone.
>  The person  whose outfit/name is stamped there would no doubt
>  become in demand for doing larger/ complex  designs.
>  Thus it would be possible meet our shelter needs here, while
>  serving that of others, and stimulating interest in earth
>  shelter as housing. Could move a lot of things along....
>  Please comment with any ideas on this,
>  Thanks,
>  Bruce
> >  -- >  life is wonder full ...
>  kiss slowly, laugh, dance and love truly

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:14:03 -0700
From: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
To: 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: RE: Design contest for TerraSante Village website

Hi Chris,

We are planning to build a dome greenhouse but with 4 - 40 ft long 1/2 inch
pieces of rebar, with a post in the middle welding them all together for
strength.  Diameter is 21 ft, height 13 ft.  This greenhouse is to grow a
few moringa trees and other frost sensitive trees that we don't want outside
in the winter.  (like avocado, banana, papaya, all of which are currently
very happy in our greenhouses)  I just looked briefly at your design, and am
wondering what benefits it might have over what we are planning on doing.
It obviously doesn't have a post in the middle like ours but for a
greenhouse this wouldn't really matter since there will be trees right next
to the post.  Yours uses 7 - 40 ft long sections, so more material.  I
assume 7 pieces of rebar would make the structure stronger, but maybe the
metal pole in the center compensates for this?  Your thoughts?

Thanks,

Victoria

PS.  Greenhouse is ready for assembly - all parts are there and holes dug,
just need to get out and do it, but am open to ways to make it better and
modify accordingly.  We want to keep the height 13 ft.  And we plan on
digging down inside greenhouse also to give a little more head space for
trees.

----Original Message-----
From: chris vansprouts [mailto:vansprouts at mac] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:43 PM
To: Tom Mendola; Susan Renna; Bruce Scher; Rick; David Kohlberg; Victoria
White; Danny August; Amy Mortier; Amy J. Belanger; Brian; David Eisenberg
Cc: Ranjit Sinha; jEtana Allison; Deborah Mayaan; William Foster
Subject: re: Design contest for TerraSante Village website

good idea!

here's my shelter design contest entry, also presented at ranjit's building
workshop here last october (www.kepfound.org/building.html), and discussed in some
local permaculture meetings last year,
  http://cv.metasofa.org/rebardome.html

at ranjit's request, i drafted this design for bpl housing (for families
below poverty level) in bihar india, to use seven 40-foot lengths of rebar to make a
22-foot diameter geodesic dome.  a 16-foot diameter dome would be 200 sq-ft.

also see my 'burning man tent' 16-ft diam dome, made of 1/2-inch conduit
pipe, which is currently set up at my terrasante campsite if you'd like to check it,
  http://cv.metasofa.org/dome06.html

as noted on these webpages, various materials or combinations can be used
for the floor/walls/roof - concrete, earth/adobe, strawbale, fabric+glue shell, tent
canvas, greenhouse plastic, or live leafy vines, depending on purpose and climate.
organic or living materials (bamboo, vines) could be used for the framework instead of
metal.  my preferences are for lightweight, tensile, and living materials.

to demonstrate sustainable housing and organic reclamation of barren land, i
am proposing to build a fully functional prototype livingspace & greenhouse,
which would also be my home for the next few years, on about 1/4 acre (somewhere
off-grid and currently barren) in the terrasante neighborhood, zoning codes permitting...

chris

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 at 11:29, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail> wrote:
> good idea,...!
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Susan Renna <susanrenna at gmail > <mailto:susanrenna at gmail>> wrote:
> >  Good idea
> >  2010/3/16 Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante.org
>  <mailto:scher at terrasante>>
> >  We could host on the website a shelter design contest.
>  I am thinking of a "prize" purse contest for a basic 200 ft2
>  bedroom space to be built as shelter for TSV residents.These we
>  could replicate.
>  The design would be totally passive solar,
>  earthbagish/earthshipish, under $1000 materials to build, mostly
>  local, etc.
>  We would host as free-open source/downloadable a  set of the
>  (engineer/architect stamped) plans for usage by anyone.
>  The person  whose outfit/name is stamped there would no doubt
>  become in demand for doing larger/ complex  designs.
>  Thus it would be possible meet our shelter needs here, while
>  serving that of others, and stimulating interest in earth
>  shelter as housing. Could move a lot of things along....
>  Please comment with any ideas on this,
>  Thanks,
>  Bruce
> >  -- >  life is wonder full ...
>  kiss slowly, laugh, dance and love truly

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:20:30 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Subject: re: Design contest for TerraSante Village website

hi victoria, would like to see what you're doing...

two of my 7 rebars are for a circular base-ring.  for a greenhouse, that might not be necessary if each arch is well-anchored in the earth, for which i am also allowing about 2.5 feet deep on each side, leaving 35 feet for above-ground arch.  the 5th rebar makes a synergetically strong geometry, distributing stresses over entire dome surface... also, are your rebars of weld-able quality? (typical rebar is not made to be welded)

i'll try to get over there in the next day or two, what is best for you?

thanks, chris

------
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:14:03 -0700
From: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
To: 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: RE: Design contest for TerraSante Village website

Hi Chris,

We are planning to build a dome greenhouse but with 4 - 40 ft long 1/2 inch
pieces of rebar, with a post in the middle welding them all together for
strength.  Diameter is 21 ft, height 13 ft.  This greenhouse is to grow a
few moringa trees and other frost sensitive trees that we don't want outside
in the winter.  (like avocado, banana, papaya, all of which are currently
very happy in our greenhouses)  I just looked briefly at your design, and am
wondering what benefits it might have over what we are planning on doing.
It obviously doesn't have a post in the middle like ours but for a
greenhouse this wouldn't really matter since there will be trees right next
to the post.  Yours uses 7 - 40 ft long sections, so more material.  I
assume 7 pieces of rebar would make the structure stronger, but maybe the
metal pole in the center compensates for this?  Your thoughts?

Thanks,

Victoria

PS.  Greenhouse is ready for assembly - all parts are there and holes dug,
just need to get out and do it, but am open to ways to make it better and
modify accordingly.  We want to keep the height 13 ft.  And we plan on
digging down inside greenhouse also to give a little more head space for
trees.

----Original Message-----
From: chris vansprouts [mailto:vansprouts at mac]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:43 PM
To: Tom Mendola; Susan Renna; Bruce Scher; Rick; David Kohlberg; Victoria
White; Danny August; Amy Mortier; Amy J. Belanger; Brian; David Eisenberg
Cc: Ranjit Sinha; jEtana Allison; Deborah Mayaan; William Foster
Subject: re: Design contest for TerraSante Village website

good idea!

here's my shelter design contest entry, also presented at ranjit's building
workshop
here last october (www.kepfound.org/building.html), and discussed in some
local
permaculture meetings last year,
  http://cv.metasofa.org/rebardome.html

at ranjit's request, i drafted this design for bpl housing (for families
below poverty
level) in bihar india, to use seven 40-foot lengths of rebar to make a
22-foot diameter
geodesic dome.  a 16-foot diameter dome would be 200 sq-ft.

also see my 'burning man tent' 16-ft diam dome, made of 1/2-inch conduit
pipe, which is
currently set up at my terrasante campsite if you'd like to check it,
  http://cv.metasofa.org/dome06.html

as noted on these webpages, various materials or combinations can be used
for the
floor/walls/roof - concrete, earth/adobe, strawbale, fabric+glue shell, tent
canvas,
greenhouse plastic, or live leafy vines, depending on purpose and climate.
organic or
living materials (bamboo, vines) could be used for the framework instead of
metal.  my
preferences are for lightweight, tensile, and living materials.

to demonstrate sustainable housing and organic reclamation of barren land, i
am
proposing to build a fully functional prototype livingspace & greenhouse,
which would
also be my home for the next few years, on about 1/4 acre (somewhere
off-grid and
currently barren) in the terrasante neighborhood, zoning codes permitting...

chris

Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 11:10:10 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>
Subject: ts website blog wishlist, campsite solar distillers etc

hi bruce,

just a reminder, if you have an article for the terrasante news/blog,

  http://www.terrasante.org/community/blog.html

and/or 'help wanted' notices for the wish list,

  http://www.terrasante.org/community/wishlist.html

or anything else for the website, please email when ready to publish.

also, i'd like to move my solar water distillers over to the new campsite, but it's a bit of work to set them up, level etc... is it ok if i stay in this spot for a while, maybe all summer?

thanks, chris

Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:20:34 -0400
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: ts website blog wishlist, campsite solar distillers etc

Yes that's Ok for you there. You are operating on solar? Do you get the
wireless signal?
I will forward you the bit about the structure design contest.
Thanks,
Bruce

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:10 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi bruce,
>
> just a reminder, if you have an article for the terrasante news/blog,
>
>  http://www.terrasante.org/community/blog.html
>
> and/or 'help wanted' notices for the wish list,
>
>  http://www.terrasante.org/community/wishlist.html
>
> or anything else for the website, please email when ready to publish.
>
> also, i'd like to move my solar water distillers over to the new campsite,
> but it's a bit of work to set them up, level etc... is it ok if i stay in
> this spot for a while, maybe all summer?
>
> thanks, chris
>

Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:36:52 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
Subject: re: wifi

sorry, the repeater was down most of friday as i was making it weatherproof.  you should get a very strong signal on your laptop anywhere around the garden, yurt, earthdome, etc and a good signal around your place.  inside your camper might not be so good because of the metal shell, but outside north/west of the camper should be ok.  you need to try different spots and find the best ones.  it may take a few minutes for your connection to stabilize when you first turn on the computer or change locations.

------
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 10:41:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: wifi

Hi Chris,

Thanks for getting the pottery workshop on the TS website.

I tested again, and i am not getting any signal in or anywhere near my
lodge.  Please let me know when the signal reaches me.

Thanks,
danny

Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:22:41 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: Chris <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, "Bob S." <farseas at gmail>
Subject: Fwd: Domain Name Expiring

suggestions of the best economical and serviceable thing to
do.......please....
chris can this be "transferred" to you

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: OMfield <awakening at omfield>
Date: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Domain Name Expiring
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>

....pretty swamped these days, Tom.....I can easily transfer this account to
someone else, or only renew for a year, or renew for 5 years.....just tell
me what you want me to do....

Peace

Tom Mendola wrote:

> hey patrick
> please give me a call....520-400-4489
> or i can call you....
> regards to linda..
> tom
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:09 PM, OMfield <awakening at omfield.org <mailto:
> awakening at omfield>> wrote:
>
>  Hi Tom,
>
>  Harmonyandhealth.org is set to expire soon....do you want me to
>  renew this for you?  I just checked and a two year renewal is less
>  than $40.....I'll give you an address to send a check if so....
>
>  Hope all is well...
>
>  Namaste,
>  Patrick
>
>
>

Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:30:13 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: tim castleman <aztc at awebiz>
Subject: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?

hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?

noticed terrasante.org flaking out around noon on a few different computers and dsl's, thought it was just our dsl and/or intermediate nameservers... but also harmonyandhealth.org and your nameservers and timcastleman.com are all returning SERVFAIL on dns lookups...

hope all is well, best wishes!
chris

------
mac:~ cv$ dig ns1.timcastleman.com

; <<>> DiG 9.3.4-P1 <<>> ns1.timcastleman.com

;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 14348
;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ns1.timcastleman.com.  IN  A

;; Query time: 4485 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.0.1#53(192.168.0.1)
;; WHEN: Wed Oct 20 15:17:10 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 38

mac:~ cv$ dig +tcp ns1.timcastleman.com

;; Connection to 172.16.0.1#53(172.16.0.1) for ns1.timcastleman.com failed: connection refused.
;; Connection to 192.168.0.1#53(192.168.0.1) for ns1.timcastleman.com failed: connection refused.

; <<>> DiG 9.3.4-P1 <<>> +tcp ns1.timcastleman.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 50868
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ns1.timcastleman.com.  IN  A

;; Query time: 5053 msec
;; SERVER: 4.2.2.4#53(4.2.2.4)
;; WHEN: Wed Oct 20 15:17:35 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 38

mac:~ cv$

Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:44:19 -0700
From: "awebiz.com " <aztc at awebiz>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?

Working on it, thanks for the notice....
Tim

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>
> noticed terrasante.org flaking out around noon on a few different
> computers and dsl's, thought it was just our dsl and/or intermediate
> nameservers... but also harmonyandhealth.org and your nameservers and
> timcastleman.com are all returning SERVFAIL on dns lookups...
>
> hope all is well, best wishes!
> chris
>
>
> ------
> mac:~ cv$ dig ns1.timcastleman.com
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4-P1 <<>> ns1.timcastleman.com
>
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 14348
> ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;ns1.timcastleman.com.  IN  A
>
> ;; Query time: 4485 msec
> ;; SERVER: 192.168.0.1#53(192.168.0.1)
> ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 20 15:17:10 2010
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 38
>
>
> mac:~ cv$ dig +tcp ns1.timcastleman.com
>
> ;; Connection to 172.16.0.1#53(172.16.0.1) for ns1.timcastleman.comfailed: connection refused.
> ;; Connection to 192.168.0.1#53(192.168.0.1) for ns1.timcastleman.comfailed: connection refused.
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4-P1 <<>> +tcp ns1.timcastleman.com
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 50868
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;ns1.timcastleman.com.  IN  A
>
> ;; Query time: 5053 msec
> ;; SERVER: 4.2.2.4#53(4.2.2.4)
> ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 20 15:17:35 2010
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 38
>
> mac:~ cv$
>

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114 J Street
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916-706-0077
http://www.PracticalCycle.com

Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 02:24:56 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: OMfield <awakening at omfield>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: harmonyandhealth.org domain name

hi patrick and tom,

sorry for the delay, tim castleman's server has been seriously down since early wednesday (along with terrasante.org, harmonyandhealth.org, and arizonanativeseed.com websites & email).  i emailed tim in the afternoon and he's been working on getting it back online...

tom has asked me to take care of the harmonyandhealth.org domain name, which will expire december 6.  terrasante.org also expires soon, november 21.  i'd like to do a little research and possibly transfer both domain names to a better & cheaper registrar before renewing...

due to the current server crash, i'd like to wait a few days until the situation stabilizes before possibly suggesting a new [registrar plus webhosting service]...

i'll write again when the situation is more clear :)  if all is well, we might simply renew as-is...

thanks, chris

------
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:22:41 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: Fwd: Domain Name Expiring

suggestions of the best economical and serviceable thing to do.......please....
chris can this be "transferred" to you

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: OMfield <awakening at omfield>
Date: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Domain Name Expiring
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>

....pretty swamped these days, Tom.....I can easily transfer this
account to someone else, or only renew for a year, or renew for 5
years.....just tell me what you want me to do....

Peace

Tom Mendola wrote:

  hey patrick
  please give me a call....520-400-4489
  or i can call you....
  regards to linda..
  tom

  On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:09 PM, OMfield <awakening at omfield> wrote:

  Hi Tom,

  Harmonyandhealth.org is set to expire soon....do you want me to
  renew this for you?  I just checked and a two year renewal is less
  than $40.....I'll give you an address to send a check if so....

  Hope all is well...

  Namaste,
  Patrick

Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:30:45 -0700
From: "awebiz.com " <aztc at awebiz>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?

The hosting company changed my IP's and I am woring to get the nameservers
settings updated. It is proving to be more difficult than it should be. I'll
continue to work on this and it will get resolved soon, but this may be a
time to consider moving your sites to a dedicated server with live tech
support. That is a level of service I don't have so you should shop around a
bit to see what is available. Google "Dedicated Server" to learn more.

Tim

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>
> noticed terrasante.org flaking out around noon on a few different
> computers and dsl's, thought it was just our dsl and/or intermediate
> nameservers... but also harmonyandhealth.org and your nameservers and
> timcastleman.com are all returning SERVFAIL on dns lookups...
>
> hope all is well, best wishes!
> chris
>
>
> ------
> mac:~ cv$ dig ns1.timcastleman.com
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4-P1 <<>> ns1.timcastleman.com
>
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 14348
> ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;ns1.timcastleman.com.  IN  A
>
> ;; Query time: 4485 msec
> ;; SERVER: 192.168.0.1#53(192.168.0.1)
> ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 20 15:17:10 2010
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 38
>
>
> mac:~ cv$ dig +tcp ns1.timcastleman.com
>
> ;; Connection to 172.16.0.1#53(172.16.0.1) for ns1.timcastleman.comfailed: connection refused.
> ;; Connection to 192.168.0.1#53(192.168.0.1) for ns1.timcastleman.comfailed: connection refused.
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4-P1 <<>> +tcp ns1.timcastleman.com
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 50868
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;ns1.timcastleman.com.  IN  A
>
> ;; Query time: 5053 msec
> ;; SERVER: 4.2.2.4#53(4.2.2.4)
> ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 20 15:17:35 2010
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 38
>
> mac:~ cv$
>

-- -------
Practical Cycle
114 J Street
Sacramento, CA 95814
916-706-0077
http://www.PracticalCycle.com

Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
Subject: n.a. workshop to post of website

Hi Chris,

Here's the link for my next workshop:

http://sites.google.com/site/controlledfollyproductions/calendar-of-workshops-classes

it's in less than 3 weeks so the sooner it's up the better.  Also, i've been trying to access the TS website so i can work on my ideas but it hasn't come up when i've called it up for a couple days now.  Is it offline while you are working on it?  Is there an "alpha" page or whatever it's called i can look at?  Please let me know how to access it.

thanks,
danny

Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:07:48 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: harmonyandhealth.org domain name

hi tom, haven't received 1and1 login info from you...

i'm pretty sure if we don't login and verify within 24 hours, we'll have to start over...

e-yours, chris

------
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:19:02 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: OMfield <awakening at omfield>
Subject: Re: harmonyandhealth.org domain name

thanks chris
and thank you for the heads up patrick..
peace and sustainability
tom

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:24 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

  hi patrick and tom,

  sorry for the delay, tim castleman's server has been seriously down
  since early wednesday (along with terrasante.org, harmonyandhealth.org,
  and arizonanativeseed.com websites & email).  i emailed tim in
  the afternoon and he's been working on getting it back online...

  tom has asked me to take care of the harmonyandhealth.org
  <http://harmonyandhealth> domain name, which will expire
  december 6.  terrasante.org <http://terrasante> also expires
  soon, november 21.  i'd like to do a little research and possibly
  transfer both domain names to a better & cheaper registrar before
  renewing...

  due to the current server crash, i'd like to wait a few days until
  the situation stabilizes before possibly suggesting a new [registrar
  plus webhosting service]...

  i'll write again when the situation is more clear :)  if all is
  well, we might simply renew as-is...

  thanks, chris

  ------
  Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:22:41 -0700
  From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
  Subject: Fwd: Domain Name Expiring

  suggestions of the best economical and serviceable thing to
  do.......please....
  chris can this be "transferred" to you

Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:53:15 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: re: terrasante.org domain name

hi bruce,

bob stanton says he's not handling the terrasante.org domain name.

so who is?

maybe someone with the email address - rjmsus at yahoo.com - which is the main domain name contact.  do you recognize it?

the registrar looks like Yahoo Small Business (if so, it'll cost a lot less after it's transferred).

bob also suggested checking your old/other email address - bruce.scher at yahoo.com - to find correspondence about the domain name registration.

we need this info soon (like within a few days), to have time for the transfer process to complete before the registration expires.

everything else is all set up and ready to go...

chris

Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:08:02 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: terrasante.org domain name

hi tom,

still waiting for bruce to remember who holds the terrasante.org domain name, so we can contact them within the next day or two.  (his first guess was bob stanton, see below)

everything else is going well.  harmonyandhealth.org is totally ready to transfer, but not as urgent as terrasante.org, and we should probably do them simultaneously.

maybe see you at the meeting today, will keep you informed!

chris

------
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:53:15 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: re: terrasante.org domain name

hi bruce,

bob stanton says he's not handling the terrasante.org domain name.

so who is?

maybe someone with the email address - rjmsus at yahoo.com - which is the main domain name
contact.  do you recognize it?

the registrar looks like Yahoo Small Business (if so, it'll cost a lot less after it's
transferred).

bob also suggested checking your old/other email address - bruce.scher at yahoo.com - to
find correspondence about the domain name registration.

we need this info soon (like within a few days), to have time for the transfer process
to complete before the registration expires.

everything else is all set up and ready to go...

chris

------
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:03:41 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org domain name

hey chris
how goes it..is this all moving along..
tom

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:47 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

  hi bob,

  at tim castleman's suggestion/request, we're moving the
  harmonyandhealth.org <http://harmonyandhealth> and
  terrasante.org <http://terrasante> websites & email to another
  webhost, and also transferring both domain names since they are due
  for renewal.

  bruce says you have the terrasante.org <http://terrasante>
  registration... if so, would you mind updating the contact info and
  sending me the transfer authorization code (it seems to already be
  unlocked).  also we need to make tom mendola the administrator &
  tech contact because the new host account is in his name, not bruce's.

  here are the changes for contact info...

  Registrant Name:  Bruce Scher
  Registrant Email:  bscher11 at gmail <mailto:bscher11 at gmail>
  (new email address, other fields unchanged)

  Admin Name:  Thomas Mendola
  Admin Street1:  3645 N Camino de Oeste
  Admin City:  Tucson
  Admin State/Province:  AZ
  Admin Postal Code:  85745
  Admin Phone:  +1.5204004489
  Admin Email:  tmendola at gmail <mailto:tmendola at gmail>
  (other fields unchanged)

  Tech Name:  Thomas Mendola
  Tech Street1:  3645 N Camino de Oeste
  Tech City:  Tucson
  Tech State/Province:  AZ
  Tech Postal Code:  85745
  Tech Phone:  +1.5204004489
  Tech Email:  tmendola at gmail <mailto:tmendola at gmail>
  (same as admin)

  please leave the nameservers as ns1.timcastleman.com
  <http://ns1.timcastleman> & ns2.timcastleman.com
  <http://ns2.timcastleman>.  i'll change them at this end after
  the transfer is done and everything seems stable.

  many thanks!
  chris

Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:03:21 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: Chris <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Fwd: nov 14th...a barn dance at terra sante village..!!

ok

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:12 PM
Subject: nov 14th...a barn dance at terra sante village..!!
To: reverendpeasandcorn at gmail, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>, Rick <
nativeseed.rick at gmail>

a hoe down !!  (drop your hoe and come on down!)
at terra sante village... ... west on ajo way just past mile marker 155
...then north on hermans rd and follow signs to the barn...
featuring the musical ensembles of "bindle stiffs"(arriving on their arizona
bicycle tour).....and "pick and hollar"  from phoenix,

4pm to 10pm..sunday nov 14th
kid friendly..
bring food and drink..
bring instruments...
be ready to dance if you care to...

fire wood welcome...
maybe bring a jacket...keep warm..

hey bruce rick and marcus
any editing or additions ??

Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:15:49 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: reverendpeasandcorn at gmail, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Chris <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: nov 14th...a barn dance at terra sante village..!!

hey marcus
 this is the invite to anyone who might be thinking to bring hard liquor or
weapons...
please send..

----------

a hoe down !!  (drop your hoe and come on down!)
at terra sante village... ... west on ajo way just past mile marker 155
...then north on hermans rd and follow signs to the barn...
featuring the musical ensembles of "bindle stiffs"(arriving on their arizona
bicycle tour).....and "pick and hollar"  from phoenix,

4pm to 10pm..sunday nov 14th
kid friendly..
bring food and drink..
bring instruments...
be ready to dance if you care to...

fire wood welcome...
maybe bring a jacket...keep warm...

suggested 5$ donation to benefit terra sante
please leave any hard liquor and weapons at home...
terra sante thanks ya!

---------

Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:23:56 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>
Cc: tom <tmendola at gmail>, bob s <farseas at gmail>
Subject: re: terrasante.org domain name

dear bruce,

for a number of reasons (saving money, minimizing downtime, etc), we have all agreed to transfer both websites and domain names to our new webhosting service before renewing domain name registrations again.

harmonyandhealth.org is all ready to switch over.  terrasante.org is in limbo.

the renewal date for terrasante.org is november 21, and the transfer process will need 7-10 days before renewal.  it's now 10 days before your renewal deadline.  all i need from you is the answer to these simple questions, and i can move ahead on the transfer:

Who is paying Who for the terrasante.org domain name registration each year, and Who has the login name and password to the account for managing it?

thanks, chris

p.s. bob, did you by any chance set up the original email accounts for scher.bruce at yahoo.com and/or bruce.scher at yahoo.com and/or rjmsus at yahoo.com and/or a yahoo small business account for the terrasante.org domain name?  if so would you please give us the login name(s) and password(s), since bruce apparently has never used them and doesn't know anything about them.  thanks, sorry to bug you :)

------
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:53:15 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: re: terrasante.org domain name

hi bruce,

bob stanton says he's not handling the terrasante.org domain name.

so who is?

maybe someone with the email address - rjmsus at yahoo.com - which is the main domain name
contact.  do you recognize it?

the registrar looks like Yahoo Small Business (if so, it'll cost a lot less after it's
transferred).

bob also suggested checking your old/other email address - bruce.scher at yahoo.com - to
find correspondence about the domain name registration.

we need this info soon (like within a few days), to have time for the transfer process
to complete before the registration expires.

everything else is all set up and ready to go...

chris

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:38:22 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org domain name

OK Chris,
I got in to the yahoo email acct.
The pass is bruces spelled backwards.
This is the information you need, yes?
I have printed off the fax form if needed- it goes to Melbourne????
Thanks,
Bruce

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:23 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> dear bruce,
>
> for a number of reasons (saving money, minimizing downtime, etc), we have
> all agreed to transfer both websites and domain names to our new webhosting
> service before renewing domain name registrations again.
>
> harmonyandhealth.org is all ready to switch over.  terrasante.org is in
> limbo.
>
> the renewal date for terrasante.org is november 21, and the transfer
> process will need 7-10 days before renewal.  it's now 10 days before your
> renewal deadline.  all i need from you is the answer to these simple
> questions, and i can move ahead on the transfer:
>
> Who is paying Who for the terrasante.org domain name registration each
> year, and Who has the login name and password to the account for managing
> it?
>
> thanks, chris
>
> p.s. bob, did you by any chance set up the original email accounts for
> scher.bruce at yahoo.com and/or bruce.scher at yahoo.com and/or rjmsus at yahoo.comand/or a yahoo small business account for the
> terrasante.org domain name?  if so would you please give us the login
> name(s) and password(s), since bruce apparently has never used them and
> doesn't know anything about them.  thanks, sorry to bug you :)
>
>
>
> ------
> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:53:15 -0700
> From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> To: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>
> Subject: re: terrasante.org domain name
>
> hi bruce,
>
> bob stanton says he's not handling the terrasante.org domain name.
>
> so who is?
>
> maybe someone with the email address - rjmsus at yahoo.com - which is the
> main domain name
> contact.  do you recognize it?
>
> the registrar looks like Yahoo Small Business (if so, it'll cost a lot less
> after it's
> transferred).
>
> bob also suggested checking your old/other email address -
> bruce.scher at yahoo.com - to
> find correspondence about the domain name registration.
>
> we need this info soon (like within a few days), to have time for the
> transfer process
> to complete before the registration expires.
>
> everything else is all set up and ready to go...
>
> chris
>

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:26:56 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: terrasante.org domain name

hi bruce,

yes, go ahead and send the fax form in any case, but there might be a faster way...

thanks for the password, i logged on to scher.bruce at yahoo.com successfully and found out that unfortunately it does -not- manage the terrasante.org domain name.  (seems like it might have been for ancientimages.com though)

terrasante.org might be still be managed via the rjmsus at yahoo.com account, if it was originally.  i tried your same password there too but it didn't work.  it would be nice to have that one...

how did you pay for the renewal on terrasante.org last year?  check? credit card? dmt? and who did you give it to?  this will give us the connection we need...

chris

p.s. tom re laptop battery, the more run down the better :) and start recharging immediately to all the way full without interruption

------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:38:22 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org domain name

OK Chris,
I got in to the yahoo email acct.
The pass is bruces spelled backwards.
This is the information you need, yes?
I have printed off the fax form if needed- it goes to Melbourne????
Thanks,
Bruce

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:23 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

  dear bruce,

  for a number of reasons (saving money, minimizing downtime, etc), we
  have all agreed to transfer both websites and domain names to our
  new webhosting service before renewing domain name registrations again.

  harmonyandhealth.org is all ready to switch over.  terrasante.org is
  in limbo.

  the renewal date for terrasante.org <http://terrasante> is
  november 21, and the transfer process will need 7-10 days before
  renewal.  it's now 10 days before your renewal deadline.  all i need
  from you is the answer to these simple questions, and i can move
  ahead on the transfer:

  Who is paying Who for the terrasante.org domain name registration each
  year, and Who has the login name and password to the account for
  managing it?

  thanks, chris

  p.s. bob, did you by any chance set up the original email accounts
  for scher.bruce at yahoo.com <mailto:scher.bruce at yahoo> and/or
  bruce.scher at yahoo.com <mailto:bruce.scher at yahoo> and/or
  rjmsus at yahoo.com <mailto:rjmsus at yahoo> and/or a yahoo small
  business account for the terrasante.org <http://terrasante>
  domain name?  if so would you please give us the login name(s) and
  password(s), since bruce apparently has never used them and doesn't
  know anything about them.  thanks, sorry to bug you :)

------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:25:56 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: Chris <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: battery

for laptop
do i let the battery run completely out ....then recharge...
or just so its almost out....

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:39:54 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Tim Castleman <aztc at awebiz>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>, Will Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
Subject: terrasante.org domain name

hi tim,

at your suggestion, we're in the process of moving everything to a new webhosting service.  all is going well, except for the terrasante.org domain name...  by any chance, do you know who is managing it?  (incredibly, no one around here seems to know!)

btw, i'm totally appreciative of the professional service you've been providing for terrasante et al!  and brahm (will foster) wanted me to say again that you're very welcome come stay at terrasante whenever you're in the neighborhood.

thanks again,
chris

------
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:30:45 -0700
From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?

The hosting company changed my IP's and I am woring to get the
nameservers settings updated. It is proving to be more difficult than it
should be. I'll continue to work on this and it will get resolved soon,
but this may be a time to consider moving your sites to a dedicated
server with live tech support. That is a level of service I don't have
so you should shop around a bit to see what is available. Google
"Dedicated Server" to learn more.

Tim

------
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:44:19 -0700
From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?

Working on it, thanks for the notice....
Tim

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

  hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?

  noticed terrasante.org flaking out around noon on a few different
  computers and dsl's, thought it was just our dsl and/or intermediate
  nameservers... but also harmonyandhealth.org and your nameservers
  and timcastleman.com are all returning SERVFAIL on dns lookups...

  hope all is well, best wishes!
  chris

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:09:39 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org domain name

Hi Chris,
 I got the info from whosit, and can fax the form tomorrow from town.
Thanks, Bruce

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:39 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi tim,
>
> at your suggestion, we're in the process of moving everything to a new
> webhosting service.  all is going well, except for the terrasante.orgdomain name...  by any chance, do you know who is managing it?  (incredibly,
> no one around here seems to know!)
>
> btw, i'm totally appreciative of the professional service you've been
> providing for terrasante et al!  and brahm (will foster) wanted me to say
> again that you're very welcome come stay at terrasante whenever you're in
> the neighborhood.
>
> thanks again,
> chris
>
>
> ------
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:30:45 -0700
> From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>
> The hosting company changed my IP's and I am woring to get the
> nameservers settings updated. It is proving to be more difficult than it
> should be. I'll continue to work on this and it will get resolved soon,
> but this may be a time to consider moving your sites to a dedicated
> server with live tech support. That is a level of service I don't have
> so you should shop around a bit to see what is available. Google
> "Dedicated Server" to learn more.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:44:19 -0700
> From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>
> Working on it, thanks for the notice....
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> wrote:
>
>  hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>
>  noticed terrasante.org flaking out around noon on a few different
>  computers and dsl's, thought it was just our dsl and/or intermediate
>  nameservers... but also harmonyandhealth.org and your nameservers
>  and timcastleman.com are all returning SERVFAIL on dns lookups...
>
>  hope all is well, best wishes!
>  chris
>

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:56:02 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org domain name

Hi Chris,
I did talk to someone at Yahoo. They suggested I fax my request(s) with
specific information to a 408-349-7941 area code.
They would not divulge the names of contact, and asked me the zip code
(85735 is wrong), and a birthdate.
I went to whosit to compare registry for sustainabilitypolicy.org-  hoping
to see is rjmsus is also the contact there, but it is gone. So the link is
dead.
Per the Yahoo guy, I will need to possibly obtain a death certificate for
Paul Reeder, but Pima county requires some documentation showing legal
relationship- we have none.
Could we not also request first dibbs on the set to expire domain assuming
that it will be unrenewed?
Thanks,
Bruce

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>  I got the info from whosit, and can fax the form tomorrow from town.
> Thanks, Bruce
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:39 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
>
>> hi tim,
>>
>> at your suggestion, we're in the process of moving everything to a new
>> webhosting service.  all is going well, except for the terrasante.orgdomain name...  by any chance, do you know who is managing it?  (incredibly,
>> no one around here seems to know!)
>>
>> btw, i'm totally appreciative of the professional service you've been
>> providing for terrasante et al!  and brahm (will foster) wanted me to say
>> again that you're very welcome come stay at terrasante whenever you're in
>> the neighborhood.
>>
>> thanks again,
>> chris
>>
>>
>> ------
>> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:30:45 -0700
>> From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
>> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
>> Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>>
>> The hosting company changed my IP's and I am woring to get the
>> nameservers settings updated. It is proving to be more difficult than it
>> should be. I'll continue to work on this and it will get resolved soon,
>> but this may be a time to consider moving your sites to a dedicated
>> server with live tech support. That is a level of service I don't have
>> so you should shop around a bit to see what is available. Google
>> "Dedicated Server" to learn more.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> ------
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:44:19 -0700
>> From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
>> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
>> Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>>
>> Working on it, thanks for the notice....
>> Tim
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>>
>>  noticed terrasante.org flaking out around noon on a few different
>>  computers and dsl's, thought it was just our dsl and/or intermediate
>>  nameservers... but also harmonyandhealth.org and your nameservers
>>  and timcastleman.com are all returning SERVFAIL on dns lookups...
>>
>>  hope all is well, best wishes!
>>  chris
>>
>
>

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:09:14 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bob <farseas at gmail>
Cc: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org

hi bob, what's your phone number?  here's some catch-up:

now with only a few days until expiration, it's too late to -transfer- the domain name, and especially because we're still having the most basic problems with proving identity and claiming ownership.  (the fax form you sent is for transfer from melbourne-it, not renewal, and renewal must be done with yahoo-small-business.)

my strategy at this point is simply to renew the terrasante.org domain name before it expires (this sunday) by somehow paying the renewal fee directly to yahoo, --regardless-- of who owns the name etc.

(analogy - like depositing money in someone else's bank account - drop box - anonymous benefactor - etc)

if you (or anyone) know of any contact phone numbers for live, responsible people at yahoo (like the ceo maybe?), or fax forms for -this purpose- would be appreciated.  we basically have today and tomorrow to get this done.

then we'll have a year to straighten out the ownership details with yahoo, and safely do the transfer.

to be continued by phone... the office number here is 1-520-555-3173.  it's not my phone but i'll be near it, if you start leaving a message i'll pick up or call back.

thanks, chris

p.s. brahm, do you have any personal contacts at yahoo, or advice on how to get thru to them?  or any other advice?  and/or prayers :)

p.p.s. tom, maybe you could be useful by bugging yahoo with a 'donation' to the terrasante.org domain name account for a 1-year renewal.  1-800-318-0783 is yahoo small biz customer service phone.

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:47:53 -0500
From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hi Chris,

Is there something that I don't understand about renewing terrasante.org?

Did you fax the form that I sent you to the company in Australia?

Bruce is the owner and admin.
The rjmsus at yahoo.com account is merely history and has no ownership or administrative rights.

I have logged on to rjmsus at yahoo.com and there is nothing pertinent there.

Please tell me explicitly what is going on.  Please do not fail to mention the FAX.

Bob Stanton

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:26:02 -0800
From: "awebiz.com " <aztc at awebiz>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org domain name

It is possible that Will used my awebizdomains.com for that domain name
registration. If so, his username is wfoster8560 and you will have to get
the pwd from him.

Thanks for the invitation I hope to meet and visit sooner than later!

Tim

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:39 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi tim,
>
> at your suggestion, we're in the process of moving everything to a new
> webhosting service.  all is going well, except for the terrasante.orgdomain name...  by any chance, do you know who is managing it?  (incredibly,
> no one around here seems to know!)
>
> btw, i'm totally appreciative of the professional service you've been
> providing for terrasante et al!  and brahm (will foster) wanted me to say
> again that you're very welcome come stay at terrasante whenever you're in
> the neighborhood.
>
> thanks again,
> chris
>
>
> ------
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:30:45 -0700
> From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>
> The hosting company changed my IP's and I am woring to get the
> nameservers settings updated. It is proving to be more difficult than it
> should be. I'll continue to work on this and it will get resolved soon,
> but this may be a time to consider moving your sites to a dedicated
> server with live tech support. That is a level of service I don't have
> so you should shop around a bit to see what is available. Google
> "Dedicated Server" to learn more.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:44:19 -0700
> From: awebiz.com <aztc at awebiz>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> Subject: Re: hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>
> Working on it, thanks for the notice....
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> wrote:
>
>  hi tim, did you know your server(s) are offline?
>
>  noticed terrasante.org flaking out around noon on a few different
>  computers and dsl's, thought it was just our dsl and/or intermediate
>  nameservers... but also harmonyandhealth.org and your nameservers
>  and timcastleman.com are all returning SERVFAIL on dns lookups...
>
>  hope all is well, best wishes!
>  chris
>

-- -------
Practical Cycle
114 J Street
Sacramento, CA 95814
916-706-0077
http://www.PracticalCycle.com

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:34:38 -0500
From: "Bob S." <farseas at gmail>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hi guys,

I think that we have it taken care of.  I called Yahoo again and got someone
who was a little more empathetic to our plight.  Or maybe it was because I
threatened to level a curse on them and all their children's children's
children.  I explained everything that you have been going through and
pointed out that my email was listed as the original registrant of the
account.  Yahoo has agreed to allow us to transfer the domain name.

We will need to wait about 24 hours for the whois records to propagate
through the system as transfer attempts launch authorization email to the
registered account administrator.  If we try this too soon, it will be to
naught as the authorization will go to scher.bruce and we have no access to
this account.

I have registered and transferred hundreds of domain names and some
"registrars" are very problematic.  I have transferred expired domain names
even.  Please let me know who you plan to use as your transfer agent.

bob

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:15:39 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bob <farseas at gmail>
Cc: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org

hi bob, great fantastic excellent!

thank you so much for calling yahoo and working this out with them.  bruce has also faxed yahoo a handwritten letter urgently requesting special consideration (slightly different than your plan).

at this point we all need to coordinate, with just a slight modification to your advised course of action...

we're going to renew first, and then transfer after the renewal is done.  there's no huge rush on transferring, and no need for us to risk losing terrasante.org to the coyotes of dns.  (neither yahoo nor melbourne-it has such a great reputation around transfer problems)

also we -do- have access to scher.bruce at yahoo.com, but if you've already arranged to put the account back on rjmsus at yahoo.com, either one will be fine, so long as we can pay for the renewal immediately.

later for the transfer, we'll need to edit the whois record a bit, and get the transfer authorization code from whichever yahoo account.  everything else is ready to go, all set up on our new webhosting service more than 2 weeks ago.

thanks again for your help!

chris

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:34:38 -0500
From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>,
  chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>,
  Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hi guys,

I think that we have it taken care of.  I called Yahoo again and got
someone who was a little more empathetic to our plight.  Or maybe it was
because I threatened to level a curse on them and all their children's
children's children.  I explained everything that you have been going
through and pointed out that my email was listed as the original
registrant of the account.  Yahoo has agreed to allow us to transfer the
domain name.

We will need to wait about 24 hours for the whois records to propagate
through the system as transfer attempts launch authorization email to
the registered account administrator.  If we try this too soon, it will
be to naught as the authorization will go to scher.bruce and we have no
access to this account.

I have registered and transferred hundreds of domain names and some
"registrars" are very problematic.  I have transferred expired domain
names even.  Please let me know who you plan to use as your transfer agent.

bob

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:09:14 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bob <farseas at gmail>
Cc: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org

hi bob, what's your phone number?  here's some catch-up:

now with only a few days until expiration, it's too late to -transfer- the domain name,
and especially because we're still having the most basic problems with proving identity
and claiming ownership.  (the fax form you sent is for transfer from melbourne-it, not
renewal, and renewal must be done with yahoo-small-business.)

my strategy at this point is simply to renew the terrasante.org domain name before it
expires (this sunday) by somehow paying the renewal fee directly to yahoo,
--regardless-- of who owns the name etc.

(analogy - like depositing money in someone else's bank account - drop box - anonymous
benefactor - etc)

if you (or anyone) know of any contact phone numbers for live, responsible people at
yahoo (like the ceo maybe?), or fax forms for -this purpose- would be appreciated.  we
basically have today and tomorrow to get this done.

then we'll have a year to straighten out the ownership details with yahoo, and safely do
the transfer.

to be continued by phone... the office number here is 1-520-555-3173.  it's not my phone
but i'll be near it, if you start leaving a message i'll pick up or call back.

thanks, chris

p.s. brahm, do you have any personal contacts at yahoo, or advice on how to get thru to
them?  or any other advice?  and/or prayers :)

p.p.s. tom, maybe you could be useful by bugging yahoo with a 'donation' to the
terrasante.org domain name account for a 1-year renewal.  1-800-318-0783 is yahoo small
biz customer service phone.

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:47:53 -0500
From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hi Chris,

Is there something that I don't understand about renewing terrasante.org?

Did you fax the form that I sent you to the company in Australia?

Bruce is the owner and admin.
The rjmsus at yahoo.com account is merely history and has no ownership or administrative
rights.

I have logged on to rjmsus at yahoo.com and there is nothing pertinent there.

Please tell me explicitly what is going on.  Please do not fail to mention the FAX.

Bob Stanton

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:22:23 -0500
From: "Bob S." <farseas at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hello,

I have already initiated transfer.  It will be done in a couple of days.

Don't do anything on your end or it could screw things up.

I will tell yo what to do when it is complete.

bob stanton

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi bob, great fantastic excellent!
>
> thank you so much for calling yahoo and working this out with them.  bruce
> has also faxed yahoo a handwritten letter urgently requesting special
> consideration (slightly different than your plan).
>
> at this point we all need to coordinate, with just a slight modification to
> your advised course of action...
>
> we're going to renew first, and then transfer after the renewal is done.
>  there's no huge rush on transferring, and no need for us to risk losing
> terrasante.org to the coyotes of dns.  (neither yahoo nor melbourne-it has
> such a great reputation around transfer problems)
>
> also we -do- have access to scher.bruce at yahoo.com, but if you've already
> arranged to put the account back on rjmsus at yahoo.com, either one will be
> fine, so long as we can pay for the renewal immediately.
>
> later for the transfer, we'll need to edit the whois record a bit, and get
> the transfer authorization code from whichever yahoo account.  everything
> else is ready to go, all set up on our new webhosting service more than 2
> weeks ago.
>
> thanks again for your help!
>
> chris
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:34:38 -0500
>
> From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
> To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>,
>
>  chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>,
>  Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
> Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I think that we have it taken care of.  I called Yahoo again and got
> someone who was a little more empathetic to our plight.  Or maybe it was
> because I threatened to level a curse on them and all their children's
> children's children.  I explained everything that you have been going
> through and pointed out that my email was listed as the original
> registrant of the account.  Yahoo has agreed to allow us to transfer the
> domain name.
>
> We will need to wait about 24 hours for the whois records to propagate
> through the system as transfer attempts launch authorization email to
> the registered account administrator.  If we try this too soon, it will
> be to naught as the authorization will go to scher.bruce and we have no
> access to this account.
>
> I have registered and transferred hundreds of domain names and some
> "registrars" are very problematic.  I have transferred expired domain
> names even.  Please let me know who you plan to use as your transfer agent.
>
> bob
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:09:14 -0700
> From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> To: bob <farseas at gmail>
> Cc: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, tom <
> tmendola at gmail>
> Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org
>
>
> hi bob, what's your phone number?  here's some catch-up:
>
> now with only a few days until expiration, it's too late to -transfer- the
> domain name,
>
> and especially because we're still having the most basic problems with
> proving identity
> and claiming ownership.  (the fax form you sent is for transfer from
> melbourne-it, not
> renewal, and renewal must be done with yahoo-small-business.)
>
> my strategy at this point is simply to renew the terrasante.org domain
> name before it
> expires (this sunday) by somehow paying the renewal fee directly to yahoo,
> --regardless-- of who owns the name etc.
>
> (analogy - like depositing money in someone else's bank account - drop box
> - anonymous
> benefactor - etc)
>
> if you (or anyone) know of any contact phone numbers for live, responsible
> people at
> yahoo (like the ceo maybe?), or fax forms for -this purpose- would be
> appreciated.  we
> basically have today and tomorrow to get this done.
>
> then we'll have a year to straighten out the ownership details with yahoo,
> and safely do
> the transfer.
>
> to be continued by phone... the office number here is 1-520-555-3173.  it's
> not my phone
> but i'll be near it, if you start leaving a message i'll pick up or call
> back.
>
> thanks, chris
>
> p.s. brahm, do you have any personal contacts at yahoo, or advice on how to
> get thru to
> them?  or any other advice?  and/or prayers :)
>
> p.p.s. tom, maybe you could be useful by bugging yahoo with a 'donation' to
> the
> terrasante.org domain name account for a 1-year renewal.  1-800-318-0783
> is yahoo small
> biz customer service phone.
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:47:53 -0500
> From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail
> >
> Subject: what's going on with terrasante.org
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Is there something that I don't understand about renewing terrasante.org?
>
> Did you fax the form that I sent you to the company in Australia?
>
> Bruce is the owner and admin.
> The rjmsus at yahoo.com account is merely history and has no ownership or
> administrative
> rights.
>
> I have logged on to rjmsus at yahoo.com and there is nothing pertinent there.
>
> Please tell me explicitly what is going on.  Please do not fail to mention
> the FAX.
>
> Bob Stanton
>

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:45:54 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bob <farseas at gmail>
Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org

just curious, where is it going to? :)

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:22:23 -0500
From: "Bob S." <farseas at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>,
  Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hello,

I have already initiated transfer.  It will be done in a couple of days.

Don't do anything on your end or it could screw things up.

I will tell yo what to do when it is complete.

bob stanton

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:15:39 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bob <farseas at gmail>
Cc: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org

hi bob, great fantastic excellent!

thank you so much for calling yahoo and working this out with them.  bruce has also
faxed yahoo a handwritten letter urgently requesting special consideration (slightly
different than your plan).

at this point we all need to coordinate, with just a slight modification to your advised
course of action...

we're going to renew first, and then transfer after the renewal is done.  there's no
huge rush on transferring, and no need for us to risk losing terrasante.org to the
coyotes of dns.  (neither yahoo nor melbourne-it has such a great reputation around
transfer problems)

also we -do- have access to scher.bruce at yahoo.com, but if you've already arranged to put
the account back on rjmsus at yahoo.com, either one will be fine, so long as we can pay for
the renewal immediately.

later for the transfer, we'll need to edit the whois record a bit, and get the transfer
authorization code from whichever yahoo account.  everything else is ready to go, all
set up on our new webhosting service more than 2 weeks ago.

thanks again for your help!

chris

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:34:38 -0500
From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>,
  chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>,
  Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hi guys,

I think that we have it taken care of.  I called Yahoo again and got
someone who was a little more empathetic to our plight.  Or maybe it was
because I threatened to level a curse on them and all their children's
children's children.  I explained everything that you have been going
through and pointed out that my email was listed as the original
registrant of the account.  Yahoo has agreed to allow us to transfer the
domain name.

We will need to wait about 24 hours for the whois records to propagate
through the system as transfer attempts launch authorization email to
the registered account administrator.  If we try this too soon, it will
be to naught as the authorization will go to scher.bruce and we have no
access to this account.

I have registered and transferred hundreds of domain names and some
"registrars" are very problematic.  I have transferred expired domain
names even.  Please let me know who you plan to use as your transfer agent.

bob

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:09:14 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bob <farseas at gmail>
Cc: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org

hi bob, what's your phone number?  here's some catch-up:

now with only a few days until expiration, it's too late to -transfer- the domain name,
and especially because we're still having the most basic problems with proving identity
and claiming ownership.  (the fax form you sent is for transfer from melbourne-it, not
renewal, and renewal must be done with yahoo-small-business.)

my strategy at this point is simply to renew the terrasante.org domain name before it
expires (this sunday) by somehow paying the renewal fee directly to yahoo,
--regardless-- of who owns the name etc.

(analogy - like depositing money in someone else's bank account - drop box - anonymous
benefactor - etc)

if you (or anyone) know of any contact phone numbers for live, responsible people at
yahoo (like the ceo maybe?), or fax forms for -this purpose- would be appreciated.  we
basically have today and tomorrow to get this done.

then we'll have a year to straighten out the ownership details with yahoo, and safely do
the transfer.

to be continued by phone... the office number here is 1-520-555-3173.  it's not my phone
but i'll be near it, if you start leaving a message i'll pick up or call back.

thanks, chris

p.s. brahm, do you have any personal contacts at yahoo, or advice on how to get thru to
them?  or any other advice?  and/or prayers :)

p.p.s. tom, maybe you could be useful by bugging yahoo with a 'donation' to the
terrasante.org domain name account for a 1-year renewal.  1-800-318-0783 is yahoo small
biz customer service phone.

------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:47:53 -0500
From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hi Chris,

Is there something that I don't understand about renewing terrasante.org?

Did you fax the form that I sent you to the company in Australia?

Bruce is the owner and admin.
The rjmsus at yahoo.com account is merely history and has no ownership or administrative
rights.

I have logged on to rjmsus at yahoo.com and there is nothing pertinent there.

Please tell me explicitly what is going on.  Please do not fail to mention the FAX.

Bob Stanton

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:57:44 -0500
From: "Bob S." <farseas at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org

Hi Chris,

It's going to name.com.  They have already sent out the authorization
request to my email and I have approved it.  Now, even if Yahoo completely
drops the ball it will still transfer in five days.

I didn't mean that you would screw something up.  I know you are very
competent.

I'm not so sure about the people at Yahoo.

bob

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:45 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> just curious, where is it going to? :)
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:22:23 -0500
>
> From: "Bob S." <farseas at gmail>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail
> >,
>
>  Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
> Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org
>
> Hello,
>
> I have already initiated transfer.  It will be done in a couple of days.
>
> Don't do anything on your end or it could screw things up.
>
> I will tell yo what to do when it is complete.
>
> bob stanton
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:15:39 -0700
>
> From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> To: bob <farseas at gmail>
> Cc: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, tom <
> tmendola at gmail>
> Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org
>
> hi bob, great fantastic excellent!
>
> thank you so much for calling yahoo and working this out with them.  bruce
> has also
> faxed yahoo a handwritten letter urgently requesting special consideration
> (slightly
> different than your plan).
>
> at this point we all need to coordinate, with just a slight modification to
> your advised
> course of action...
>
> we're going to renew first, and then transfer after the renewal is done.
>  there's no
> huge rush on transferring, and no need for us to risk losing
> terrasante.org to the
> coyotes of dns.  (neither yahoo nor melbourne-it has such a great
> reputation around
> transfer problems)
>
> also we -do- have access to scher.bruce at yahoo.com, but if you've already
> arranged to put
> the account back on rjmsus at yahoo.com, either one will be fine, so long as
> we can pay for
> the renewal immediately.
>
> later for the transfer, we'll need to edit the whois record a bit, and get
> the transfer
> authorization code from whichever yahoo account.  everything else is ready
> to go, all
> set up on our new webhosting service more than 2 weeks ago.
>
> thanks again for your help!
>
> chris
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:34:38 -0500
> From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
> To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>,
>  chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>,
>  Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
> Subject: Re: what's going on with terrasante.org
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I think that we have it taken care of.  I called Yahoo again and got
> someone who was a little more empathetic to our plight.  Or maybe it was
> because I threatened to level a curse on them and all their children's
> children's children.  I explained everything that you have been going
> through and pointed out that my email was listed as the original
> registrant of the account.  Yahoo has agreed to allow us to transfer the
> domain name.
>
> We will need to wait about 24 hours for the whois records to propagate
> through the system as transfer attempts launch authorization email to
> the registered account administrator.  If we try this too soon, it will
> be to naught as the authorization will go to scher.bruce and we have no
> access to this account.
>
> I have registered and transferred hundreds of domain names and some
> "registrars" are very problematic.  I have transferred expired domain
> names even.  Please let me know who you plan to use as your transfer agent.
>
> bob
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:09:14 -0700
> From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> To: bob <farseas at gmail>
> Cc: bruce <bscher11 at gmail>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, tom <
> tmendola at gmail>
> Subject: re: what's going on with terrasante.org
>
> hi bob, what's your phone number?  here's some catch-up:
>
> now with only a few days until expiration, it's too late to -transfer- the
> domain name,
> and especially because we're still having the most basic problems with
> proving identity
> and claiming ownership.  (the fax form you sent is for transfer from
> melbourne-it, not
> renewal, and renewal must be done with yahoo-small-business.)
>
> my strategy at this point is simply to renew the terrasante.org domain
> name before it
> expires (this sunday) by somehow paying the renewal fee directly to yahoo,
> --regardless-- of who owns the name etc.
>
> (analogy - like depositing money in someone else's bank account - drop box
> - anonymous
> benefactor - etc)
>
> if you (or anyone) know of any contact phone numbers for live, responsible
> people at
> yahoo (like the ceo maybe?), or fax forms for -this purpose- would be
> appreciated.  we
> basically have today and tomorrow to get this done.
>
> then we'll have a year to straighten out the ownership details with yahoo,
> and safely do
> the transfer.
>
> to be continued by phone... the office number here is 1-520-555-3173.  it's
> not my phone
> but i'll be near it, if you start leaving a message i'll pick up or call
> back.
>
> thanks, chris
>
> p.s. brahm, do you have any personal contacts at yahoo, or advice on how to
> get thru to
> them?  or any other advice?  and/or prayers :)
>
> p.p.s. tom, maybe you could be useful by bugging yahoo with a 'donation' to
> the
> terrasante.org domain name account for a 1-year renewal.  1-800-318-0783
> is yahoo small
> biz customer service phone.
>
>
> ------
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:47:53 -0500
> From: Bob S. <farseas at gmail>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail
> >
> Subject: what's going on with terrasante.org
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Is there something that I don't understand about renewing terrasante.org?
>
> Did you fax the form that I sent you to the company in Australia?
>
> Bruce is the owner and admin.
> The rjmsus at yahoo.com account is merely history and has no ownership or
> administrative
> rights.
>
> I have logged on to rjmsus at yahoo.com and there is nothing pertinent there.
>
> Please tell me explicitly what is going on.  Please do not fail to mention
> the FAX.
>
> Bob Stanton
>

Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:28:59 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: Chris <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: Fwd: Your recent domain name transfer

hey chris
missed you at the last tuesday meeting....
are you well....
and will you come to town for the st fair..?

tom

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:16:11 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: re: Fwd: Your recent domain name transfer

hi tom, i'm ok...  been in tucson helping my mom with my dad's return home from bone-surgery after a bike accident a few weeks ago.  i'll head back to terrasante sunday, maybe see you at the fair today...  chris

------
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:28:59 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: Chris <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: Fwd: Your recent domain name transfer

hey chris
missed you at the last tuesday meeting....
are you well....
and will you come to town for the st fair..?

tom

Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:29:56 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: re: website collaboration

bruce, i'm available for discussion with you anytime friday (and this weekend and all next week).  i'll be working in david's house or at my campsite, come over whenever you like.  sorry i just missed the meeting tuesday, i was needed in town by my parents or i would have been there.  i am always available by email.  chris

------
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:27:58 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Lance DuRand <lance at partnershipwithearth>,
  chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: website collaboration

As discussed at our Tuesday meeting, Lance will learn to post events
onto the website calender as needed for timely addition (1-2 days) after
approval of the TSV council. You guys can work out details. Access codes
should be kept where I also have copies. In case you are both gone.
Our next TSV meeting will be 9AM at TSV,Tuesdays. TSC meeting will still
be 3 PM at Kohlbergs.
Chris and I can meet when? to discuss issues which came up related to
website and network needs and expectations.
I have Fri. AM off, then Tues 3.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:04:03 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Lance DuRand <lance at partnershipwithearth>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>
Subject: Re: website collaboration

OK I'm tied up today mostly, will be in town this afternoon. Tuesday my next
day off.
We want to get Lance up to speed as a second person on website issues.
I copy him above.
Maybe you two can meet before then.
Thanks,
Bruce

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:29 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> bruce, i'm available for discussion with you anytime friday (and this
> weekend and all next week).  i'll be working in david's house or at my
> campsite, come over whenever you like.  sorry i just missed the meeting
> tuesday, i was needed in town by my parents or i would have been there.  i
> am always available by email.  chris
>
> ------
> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:27:58 -0700
> From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
> To: Lance DuRand <lance at partnershipwithearth>,
>  chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> Subject: website collaboration
>
>
> As discussed at our Tuesday meeting, Lance will learn to post events
> onto the website calender as needed for timely addition (1-2 days) after
> approval of the TSV council. You guys can work out details. Access codes
> should be kept where I also have copies. In case you are both gone.
> Our next TSV meeting will be 9AM at TSV,Tuesdays. TSC meeting will still
> be 3 PM at Kohlbergs.
> Chris and I can meet when? to discuss issues which came up related to
> website and network needs and expectations.
> I have Fri. AM off, then Tues 3.
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>
>

Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:34:54 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>

Hi Chris,
Our internet has been down since Tues. can you please troubleshoot.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:14:07 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Lance DuRand <lance at partnershipwithearth>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>
Subject: web meeting

I traded Friday for saturday work at the hospital.
I will be around on Sun, and can meet then.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:51:40 +0000
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Lance DuRand <lance at partnershipwithearth>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: Re: web meeting

I thought we had already agreed to Sunday at 9 am already anyways.

DIana

2011/1/7 Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>

> I traded Friday for saturday work at the hospital.
> I will be around on Sun, and can meet then.
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>

-- Diana Elbirt
facturelli at gmail

Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:07:50 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: terrasante web/pr committee meeting

at the tuesday morning meeting, we agreed to meet saturday morning because i'll be in tucson all day sunday.

that was before bruce changed his hospital schedule, so the web/pr committee meeting is now moved to sometime next tuesday, as per conversation with bruce and lance this afternoon.  if some of you still want to meet sunday morning, it might be useful to prepare a nice presentation of your ideas before the full committee meeting.

lance, can we set up one of your video projectors for these meetings?

thanks everyone... chris

------
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:51:40 +0000
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Lance DuRand <lance at partnershipwithearth>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: Re: web meeting

I thought we had already agreed to Sunday at 9 am already anyways.

DIana

2011/1/7 Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>

  I traded Friday for saturday work at the hospital.
  I will be around on Sun, and can meet then.
  Thanks,
  Bruce

-- Diana Elbirt
facturelli at gmail

Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:19:06 +0000
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: Re: terrasante web/pr committee meeting

ok so the meeting isTues at 9 am.

i would like to see the woofer comments on the woofr website, but this
requires a login and password.  could i sit down with whover has these? so I
could view the site?

thanks
diana

2011/1/7 chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>

> at the tuesday morning meeting, we agreed to meet saturday morning because
> i'll be in tucson all day sunday.
>
> that was before bruce changed his hospital schedule, so the web/pr
> committee meeting is now moved to sometime next tuesday, as per conversation
> with bruce and lance this afternoon.  if some of you still want to meet
> sunday morning, it might be useful to prepare a nice presentation of your
> ideas before the full committee meeting.
>
> lance, can we set up one of your video projectors for these meetings?
>
> thanks everyone... chris
>
>
> ------
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:51:40 +0000
> From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
> To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
> Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Lance DuRand <
> lance at partnershipwithearth>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick <
> nativeseed.rick at gmail>
> Subject: Re: web meeting
>
> I thought we had already agreed to Sunday at 9 am already anyways.
>
> DIana
>
> 2011/1/7 Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
>
>  I traded Friday for saturday work at the hospital.
>  I will be around on Sun, and can meet then.
>  Thanks,
>  Bruce
>
> --
> Diana Elbirt
> facturelli at gmail
>

-- Diana Elbirt
facturelli at gmail

Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:04:00 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: re: terrasante web/pr committee meeting

hi all,

apologies... due to some tough logistics tomorrow (tuesday) morning, i'll probably be late for the morning meeting, like 10:30 or 11:00, and in any case i'd rather do the web/pr committee meeting after lunch or as the 3pm community meeting.  see you when i get there...

diana, bruce has all the info for logging in to www.wwoofusa.org ... also, did you try googling "terrasante" ?  (that's what wwoofers do)

chris

------
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:19:06 +0000
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: Re: terrasante web/pr committee meeting

ok so the meeting isTues at 9 am.

i would like to see the woofer comments on the woofr website, but this
requires a login and password.  could i sit down with whover has these?
so I could view the site?

thanks
diana

2011/1/7 chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>

  at the tuesday morning meeting, we agreed to meet saturday morning
  because i'll be in tucson all day sunday.

  that was before bruce changed his hospital schedule, so the web/pr
  committee meeting is now moved to sometime next tuesday, as per
  conversation with bruce and lance this afternoon.  if some of you
  still want to meet sunday morning, it might be useful to prepare a
  nice presentation of your ideas before the full committee meeting.

  lance, can we set up one of your video projectors for these meetings?

  thanks everyone... chris

Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:32:06 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: Re: terrasante web/pr committee meeting

Lance and I will meet around 12 for website consideration. I am around later
for this as well.
We would like to focus on getting a kitchen person, and promote this on the
website along with a boneyard and office person.
Thanks,
Bruce

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:04 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi all,
>
> apologies... due to some tough logistics tomorrow (tuesday) morning, i'll
> probably be late for the morning meeting, like 10:30 or 11:00, and in any
> case i'd rather do the web/pr committee meeting after lunch or as the 3pm
> community meeting.  see you when i get there...
>
> diana, bruce has all the info for logging in to www.wwoofusa.org ... also,
> did you try googling "terrasante" ?  (that's what wwoofers do)
>
> chris
>
>
> ------
> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:19:06 +0000
>
> From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> Cc: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>,
> Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
> Subject: Re: terrasante web/pr committee meeting
>
>
> ok so the meeting isTues at 9 am.
>
> i would like to see the woofer comments on the woofr website, but this
> requires a login and password.  could i sit down with whover has these?
> so I could view the site?
>
> thanks
> diana
>
> 2011/1/7 chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
>
>  at the tuesday morning meeting, we agreed to meet saturday morning
>  because i'll be in tucson all day sunday.
>
>  that was before bruce changed his hospital schedule, so the web/pr
>  committee meeting is now moved to sometime next tuesday, as per
>  conversation with bruce and lance this afternoon.  if some of you
>  still want to meet sunday morning, it might be useful to prepare a
>  nice presentation of your ideas before the full committee meeting.
>
>  lance, can we set up one of your video projectors for these meetings?
>
>  thanks everyone... chris
>

Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:19:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, Bob Solar <solarbob at terrasante>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, David Kohlberg <davidkepf at gmail>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, larry hertz <hertz33 at earthlink.net>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>, Tim White <twhite at empactconsulting>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Subject: Winter count / After count

As i said i'd do in the last TSV/Greater Community meeting, i'm sending the link for Wintercount, the annual native arts rendezvous held mid February, on O'odham land near Phoenix, which i was on the staff of for several years.  I recommend looking at the photo albums, for past winter counts (2010 has limited pics; 2009 and before has more and better ones).

For those of you not at the meeting, in a nutshell TSV is planning to host "After Count" for the first time in Terrasante Village, (approximately 20-26 February) a tradition that developed over the years for people to spend a little more time together after Winter Count, continuing in the same vein.  So it will be kind of a mini native arts rendezvous.

I have a limited email server list (is that what you call it?), so if anyone in the greater community did not get this email; or if you have questions or input about the event; please attend our tuesday morning TSV/Greater Community meeting at 9:00 a.m.  Also you can talk to me, i prefer in person, mid-afternoon or earlier.

Thanks,
danny

Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:24:50 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: hello at terrasante.org, larry hertz <hertz33 at q>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>, Bob Vierck <solarbob at terrasante>
Subject: website change- a draft of positions for which we need people.

So as most of you know,
Lance has been working on improvements to our index page/main page on the
website (Thanks you Lance).
We had the idea to put a direct link/solicit for our missing positions,
which seems more direct that what we have now only on the wish list.
Please make suggestions, additions.
Ideally we can mount this soon on the wish list, until the home page is set
with a direct link.
Thanks,
Bruce

Here's what's on the website wish list now:
Resident gardener position available  - Terrasante Village needs an
experienced gardener to help
manage year-round intensive organic garden of about 1/4 acre.
Will trade accomodations and basic food (rice & beans, fresh
produce).  Duties include organizing & supervision of volunteers,
irrigation, planning for planting, harvesting, composting & soilbuilding.
This person will be friendly, communicative, capable, energetic, and
in love with plants & gardening.

A first draft at an upgrade:

*TSV Garden Manager Needed*
TerraSante Village needs an experienced gardener manager.
manage our year-round intensive community organic garden of about 1/4+ acres
and growing.
The purpose of the TSV gardens is to demonstrate a high level of efficiency,
experiment with permaculture, and explore optimal methods of food
production.
This person will love plants, and love sharing that with others.
This person will be friendly, communicative, capable, energetic. This person
can be a mentor.
*Responsibilities include*:
Coordination with the kitchen, native plant, and volunteer persons.
Planning for planting and harvesting needs, calender keeping.
Saves seed, organizes seed.
Sees that irrigation is maintained.
Operates/coordinates compost bins, soilbuilding, etc.
Keeps track of garden tools.
Promotes safety in the garden.
Identifies garden needs, suggests improvements.
*Amenities include:*
This position could begin as a work trade (24 hr/wk) with at least some
months of commitment, and evolve to a full membership in TSV.
Room and basic foods are provided by the community.
Opportunities for dialogue, learning and teaching related to sustainability,
and the resources of TSV and Terrasante Community.

*TSV Kitchen Manager Needed*
TerraSante Village  needs a capable person to manage our kitchen.
Our community kitchen serves between 5-20 persons daily in season (Oct-May).
Fewer in summer.
In summer this person would shift to assist with gardening/food
harvest/preservation.
The person loves to play with their food!
They love to cook and nourish. They can be the heart in hearth.
This person will be friendly, communicative, capable, energetic.
*Responsibilities include:*
Coordination with the garden and volunteer persons.
Makes suggestions for garden plantings, and plans menus around that.
Orients/welcomes visitors to the kitchen.
Enlists volunteers and residents to coordinate menus and anticipates
food/kitchen needs.
Operates solar ovens & saute as primary methods.
Promotes kitchen safety and hygeine.
Ensures timely removal of recycle, compost,etc.
Coordinates in helping with food logistics for events.
Helps ensure that kitchen is kept clean. Identifies and solve kitchen flow
issues.
Keeps a shopping list, helps coordinate food donations.
Suggests improvements to kitchen area.
*Amenities include:*
This position could begin as a work trade (24 hr/wk) with at least some
months of commitment, and evolve to a full membership in TSV.
Shelter and basic foods are provided by the community.
Opportunities for dialogue, learning and teaching related to sustainability,
and the resources of TSV and Terrasante Community.

*Workshop "Boneyard" Manager*
TSV needs a person to manage our community workshop area which encompasses
about 1/2 acre of ramadas, storage sheds, and various hardware and projects.
The purpose of the TSV workshops is to provide the community with the space
and tools to create sustainable infrastructure *as locally* as possible.
This person loves to tinker.  they like working with things mechanical and
electric.
They are good with tools, clever at solving problems, resourceful with the
items at hand.
This person will be friendly, communicative, capable, energetic. This person
can be a mentor.
*Responsibilities include*:
Coordination with the TSV members, volunteers, and TS Community about use of
tools, vehicles.
Promotes safety with tools and vehicles, projects, and spaces.
Ensures that the workshop area stays clean, organized, clear of obstacles.
Keeps a focus on key TSV/TSC projects. (solar/wind well backup, electric
vehicle, etc.)
Helps plan and organize projects and helpers.
Identifies boneyard needs, suggests improvements.
*Amenities include:*
This position could begin as a work trade (24 hr/wk) with at least some
months of commitment, and evolve to a full membership in TSV.
Shelter and basic foods are provided by the community.
Opportunities for dialogue, learning and teaching related to sustainability,
and the resources of TSV and Terrasante Community.

Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:53:56 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, larry hertz <hertz33 at q>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, hello at terrasante.org, Bob Vierck <solarbob at terrasante>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>
Subject: Bob's vacated travel trailer in the boneyard, violation resolution.

Hi guys,
I didn't work today because I can't always control the cough. Maybe
tomorrow.
See I do have a control issue!

Now that Bob has vacated the boneyard travel trailer we need to think about
where it might go.
Once cleaned inside, it could sleep 2-3 volunteers in relative comfort. It
would be good if Bob starts cleaning it soon.
We must remove it from TSV for our violation resolution, and would do best
to not return it here for at least the near term 1-2 years.
Once we arrive at phase 2 of our development plan, we can host at least 1(or
more) travel trailers as we pull permits for multiple casitas.
Who would be willing to host this?
Tom paid $5000 for this some years ago. Going once, going twice...

We will also need another home for Bayli's camper.
Geo's silver trailer & green bus can remain for now.
We may need to move them to resolve the violation.
Phase one of our DP includes the a first casita permit,
so the green bus and silver trailer become the 'kitchen & bedroom' for that
4 acre parcel.

I think we can convince an inspector that the gray travel trailer and
bus *really
are* electronic storage/workspace.
They are listed as mobile storage on our development plan.
We would like to get a 8x20 storage locker to replace the departing travel
trailer.

Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:21:10 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: hello at terrasante.org, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Bob Vierck <solarbob at terrasante>, Lance DuRand <lance at partnershipwithearth>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, Joshua Waffleman Clown <jjwaffles at wafflestclown>
Subject: equinox event at TSV 18,18,20 March

So here are some thoughts about an equinox event.
We need to get an announce out pretty soon to the green times or whatever
they are called now.
I think it is important to focus on sustainability, and not branch out into
too many activities/things, especially for a first year.
I would like to suggest a participation limit of 25? people, preregistered,
suggested donation: minimum $25?. No doubt we will get some full moon
carryover for the event.
We will need some help with kitchen on Sat. Sun, ideally some donation could
be accepted in the form of meal prep if we provide ingredients, supervision.
Here is a basic outline for that weekend:
Friday: night drum/full moon circle
Saturday: Breakfast, AM workshops, Lunch, afternoon workshops. Dinner,
firecircle, music improv, movie, ?
 (Brian's piano burn will be Sat. Some people may wish to see that
spectacle, others may prefer an alternate event hosted here at TSV, probably
not a big barn dance?)
Sunday: Breakfast, AM workshops,  Lunch, afternoon workshops, Dinner, TSV
annual meeting afternoon?.

Last night at the peace dinner, I met Vince Pawlowski (Prescott College,
sustainable community development), who knows more about papercrete than
anyone I have ever met. He has agreed to bring his SUV mixer and do a demo
and talk workshop.
Another area of interest seems to our do-it-yerself solar panels, so a
workshop on this too perhaps solar Bob can lead.
Lance would maybe talk about meta-sustainability?
Victoria/Diana to talk on desert permaculture.
I am thinking we could list a few things, but I like the idea of the
participants deciding early sat.  what to put in open time slots based on
who shows up and what their interests are.
Such a format worked really well at the permaculture gathering at Earthhaven
I attended in 2002.

Given that Brian will also be hosting a band on Sat., and that harmony and
health is still a bit scattered in terms of getting a music themed event
together (next year we will be ready), I think that a TSV sponsored music
event should be more low key. An improv. with Michael R. might be cool then,
but keep in mind that he too may be distracted by the spectacle of Brian's
wizardry of pyrotechnics!
Hard to compete with fire.

Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 12:21:59 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: hello at terrasante.org, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, larry hertz <hertz33 at q>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Lance DuRand <ori9gins at gmail>
Subject: TerraSante Equinox Sustainability conference

So is our listing in The New Southwest. Would be good to get on the website
too.
Thanks,
Bruce

March 19-20. 8AM-5PM both days.
13535 W.Sacred Earth Pl. Near (Ajo Hwy/Avra Rd./3 Points)
Suggested Donation $25.
Perhaps 25 Participants.
TerrasSante Village nonprofit is a living laboratory for sustainability.
TerraSante Village will host a hands-on event exploring sustainability.
Planned talks/workshops include:
Papercrete- Vincent Pawlowski,
Build it yerself Photovoltaics- Bob Vierck
Growing plants in the desert/plant walk- Victoria White
Meta sustainability- Lance Durand
Native plants, native ways- Rick Hubbs, Danny August
Other topics/workshops to be determined by the interests and skills of those
attending. This might include earthen building, ferrocement,  permaculture,
solar hot water, community, communication, ecovillage creation, etc.
TerraSante Village will provide some basic food faire. Camping is available.
Sat. 19 Dinner is full moon potluck, drumming circle- bring something to
share.
Register with a donation to TerraSante Village, 13535 W. Sacred Earth PL.
Tucson AZ 85735. Contact: Bruce Scher, hello at terrasante.org

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:26:20 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: tom <tmendola at gmail>
Cc: david <davidkepf at gmail>, bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, danny <danny at terrasante>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry <hertz33 at earthlink.net>, amy <amymortier at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, joshua <jjwaffles at juno>
Subject: criticism about terrasante village

dear tom,

after last night's conversation with you & david at the epic cafe after sustainable tucson, i'm sure there are some mis-understandings between us, just a few simple points...

yes, i have some criticism about terrasante village, and i'm not alone in these opinions.

my criticism is -only- about terrasante village (TSV), and not at all about the entire 160-acre terrasante community neighborhood.  i have no complaints about the larger community.

yes, i have some criticism about -behavior- of some people in terrasante village (TSV), but i'm not name-calling nor labeling anyone, nor wishing for anyone's termination.  if you think that i am, we should get that clear.

i may need to be more careful with my language (which is why i'm writing this, instead of chatting in a cloud of nicotine & noise).

i'm an engineer & designer, and my work necessarily includes problem-solving.  critical process serves the recognition & clarification of a problem to be solved.

it's obvious that terrasante village (TSV) has problems.  i believe they can be solved, and in any number of ways.  it's actually happening (slowly) before our eyes.

i tend to be impatient, but i'm sure that given enough time & attention from everyone involved, terrasante village will ultimately succeed in its mission.

sincerely,
chris

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:50:01 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: malcolm <webmaster at am-cor>
Cc: hello at terrasante.org, website at terrasante.org
Subject: re: updated am-cor International Ferrocement Symposium pdf links

hi malcolm, thanks very much for the update, and your info on the web.
we'll fix our links soon... -chris v (terrasante.org webmaster :)

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:35:38 -0500
From: webmaster <webmaster at am-cor>
To: website at terrasante.org
Cc: hello at terrasante.org
Subject: updated am-cor International Ferrocement Symposium pdf links

Hi,
Sorry! Those links should be:

Inventor Angus W. Macdonald's works on Ferrocement:
  • Ferro-Cement Coatings on Panelized Lightweight Steel Frame Structures, Ferro-7 Seventh International Symposium on Ferrocement and Thin Reinforced Cement Composites, 2001. M. A. Mansur and K. C. G. Ong, editors, National University of Singapore, Singapore, 415-420
  • http://www.am-cor.com/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_7_paper.pdf
  • http://www.am-cor.com/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_7_slideshow.pdf

  • Architectural Details to Develop Affordable Disaster Resistant Structures Using Ferrocement Technology, Ferro-8 Eighth International Symposium on Ferrocement and Thin Reinforced Cement Composites, 2006
  • http://www.am-cor.com/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_8_paper.pdf
  • http://www.am-cor.com/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_8_slideshow.pdf

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:35:38 -0500
From: webmaster <webmaster at am-cor>
Cc: hello at terrasante.org
To: website at terrasante.org
Subject: updated am-cor International Ferrocement Symposium pdf links

Hi,
I noticed in our server logs that you link to some of our pdfs, which were 404ing:
http://www.terrasante.org/projects/eartharch.html

Sorry about that; we recently relaunched our website and apparently these were overlooked. I've made sure Angus Macdonald's Ferrocement papers are now rehosted, with both the original paper and slideshow from the conference presentation:

Inventor Angus W. Macdonald's works on Ferrocement:
  • Ferro-Cement Coatings on Panelized Lightweight Steel Frame Structures, Ferro-7 Seventh International Symposium on Ferrocement and Thin Reinforced Cement Composites, 2001. M. A. Mansur and K. C. G. Ong, editors, National University of Singapore, Singapore, 415-420
  • http://localhost:8000/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_7_paper.pdf
  • http://localhost:8000/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_7_slideshow.pdf

  • Architectural Details to Develop Affordable Disaster Resistant Structures Using Ferrocement Technology, Ferro-8 Eighth International Symposium on Ferrocement and Thin Reinforced Cement Composites, 2006
  • http://localhost:8000/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_8_paper.pdf
  • http://localhost:8000/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_8_slideshow.pdf

Please let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks, and happy ferrocementing!
Malcolm

Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 10:43:55 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, "Ted J. Cooper" <tjcooper_1999 at yahoo>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, Bob Vierck <solarbob at terrasante>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>
Cc: Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry hertz <hertz33 at q>, Lance DuRand <lance at partnershipwithearth>
Subject: TSV Annual/Board Meeting 22 March, 2PM Kohlberg's porch

Hello supporting and resident members of TerraSante Village,
Our annual meeting is 22 March 2011 at David Kohlberg's 2PM.
Agenda items include:
Board member elections, annual $ report, planning for development, etc.
Hope you can make it.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:02:20 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Subject: TSV Board meeting posting for website calender

Hi Chris,
You can add to the calender-

TSV nonprofit Annual Meeting 22 March 2PM (at David Kohlberg's porch)

I will email you changes to visitor page on Thursday,
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:02:08 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: hello at terrasante.org, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>
Subject: draft of community page on website 1Mar11

*Terra Sante* means sacred earth, and this name reflects the values that we
hold dear.  The earth we live on is sacred to us, and what we are creating
here reflects this belief.

*Terrasante Community* is 160 acres comprised of TerraSante Village, Harmony
& Health, Kokopeli Gardens, Interstellar Light Applications and other
residents.  We share in common an interest in sustainable living, working
together for community, and creative collaborative ventures to discover and
explore the possibilities of the sustainable future.  Terrasante Community
is a diverse collection of individuals and groups with knowledge and skills
working on community and individually related projects.  Terrasante
Community census typically goes up in winter, down in summer.  Terrasante
Community has land/space available, and we seek like minded partners of
substance and vision.

*TerraSante Village* is located on 8.4 acres of Terrasante Community.
TerraSante Village is an Arizona nonprofit, (501c3 pending), with specific
intention to manifest sustainability. See our mission
statement<http://www.terrasante.org/community/mission.html>and
neighborhood
agreements <http://www.terrasante.org/community/agreement.html>.  TerraSante
Village was founded 2008 as a resource for this community and others to whom
we connect.

<http://www.terrasante.org/community/mission.html>
<http://www.terrasante.org/community/sanctuary.html>
<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/projects.html>

 *Terrasante* sits about 2450ft (747m) above sea level on a gently sloping
valley mesquite plain below the remnants of the once mighty Sierrita
mountains, now only 6000 ft, in the sunny, magical Sonoran desert 20 miles
southwest of Tucson Arizona.  Our reddish soil is rich in clay, and sand is
plentiful. Our existing vegetation is predominantly mesquite with occasional
catci and grasses, changed by cattle 150 years ago from the then predominant
grasslands. 10,000 years ago the vegetation was pinyon pine and juniper. How
we adapt to changes speaks to our sustainability.

Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:42:33 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: hello at terrasante.org
Subject: draft for update to projects page 1Mar2011

I used the most recent updated brochure as changes, reworked the education
section into "service to the future".
Note that the native seed, service to future, and communication have no link
targets.
Native seed could target Native Seed resource, service to future could
target the mission, not sure on a target for communication....
Bruce

 TerraSante Projects

*Sustainability* is the practical ability to satisfy the basic needs of
today without compromising the ability of future generations to satisfy
their needs.  Sustainability is the management of environmental and resource
systems so that their ability to support future generations is not
diminished.

A sustainable society exists such that the ways of living and the patterns
of activity of its members are in harmony with the inherent ability of
nature to maintain life.

 What's Going on Here?

*projects in progress or planned*

<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/permaculture.html>
<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/nativearts.html>
<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/eartharch.html>
<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/solarenergy.html>

*TerraSante Village* seeks like-minded people and organizations to join us
in collaborative ventures. We have land/space available for persons of
substance and vision.

Earth architecture <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/eartharch.html>
experiments
with building methods like earthbag, cob, ferrocement, etc. and traditional
shelter like yurts and tipis. Our goals are attractive, low cost, energy
efficient, long lasting, made with locally available resources, bioharmonic,
and minimize long term carbon footprint.

Permaculture <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/permaculture.html> utilizing
native plants, insects and local resources as well as highly productive
methods of gardening, agriculture and food preparation/storage which are
harmonious in the local landscape, the community at large, and which
minimize carbon footprint while maximizing nutrition and health.

*Native Seed *for habitat re-vegetation/restoration, plant diversity,
exploration of native plant resources, and organic materials for our gardens
and growing areas.

 Water catching <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/permaculture.html> /storage
via drums and cisterns, swalings to prevent erosion, flooding, and maximize
carbon fixation as food and building materials. A goal of oasification in
this region abused by overgrazing, and subject to drought.

Solar and wind energy <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/solarenergy.html> for
use in domestic and transportation needs. A goal of an electrical grid tie
environment which is robust and sustainably decentralized. We consider that
to be the *true* local and 'national security' issue.

Electric vehicle <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/electricar.html> /hybrid
transformation. A goal to experiment and develop simplified vehicular
conversions to electric or electric-hybrid using existing materials and
widely available surplus. We seek low cost, easily upgradeable, repairable,
and sustainable. Goal: let the sunlight meet transportation needs, with
electric vehicles as backup to well service.

Native Arts & Lifeways <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/nativearts.html> as
a connection to our ancestors and indigenous ways as a template for human
sustainability. With the idea that those life ways do have some wisdom to
offer us in the present. Learning to walk in balance, traditional
storytelling, music, games, crafts, ceremonies, hunting, harvesting, and
ancient sustainable ways of earthkeeping...

*Service to the future,* through the identification and implementation of
key methods and experimentations in optimization. With the goal of sharing
this knowledge to the benefit of all.

 *Communication, *with Terrasante community as an example of citizens acting
together, to solve the sustainability issues we face. We seek to identify
and cultivate the personal and social 'software' and practices which are
most conducive to harmonious community, collaborative action and the
realization of peace.

Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:11:30 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: hello at terrasante.org
Subject: update draft for website wishlist 1Mar2011

 I changed the into part, some details relating to volunteers and community.
Note that the I labeled one section People, another Stuff.It would be nice
to have to columns, the one on left people, the one on right stuff.

TerraSante Village Wish List

Ongoing work <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/projects.html> at
TerraSante Village is supported by donations and participation in many
forms.  We have both supporting and resident members. We seek collaborations
and partnerships with like-minded people and organizations.

If you'd like to contribute your talents, or make a donation of any of the
following items, please contact
us<http://www.terrasante.org/community/contact.html>or email <hello
at terrasante dot org <http://www.terrasante.org/community/contact.html>>
- Thank you!

*Needed People*

*TSV Garden Manager Needed*

TerraSante Village needs an experienced gardener manager to

manage our year-round intensive community organic garden of about 1/4+ acres
and growing.

The purpose of the TSV gardens is to demonstrate a high level of efficiency,
experiment with permaculture, and explore optimal methods of food
production.

This person will love plants, and love sharing that with others.

This person will be friendly, communicative, capable, energetic. This person
can be a mentor.

*Responsibilities include*:

Coordination with the kitchen, native plant, and helping persons.

Planning for planting and harvesting needs, calender keeping.

Saves seed, organizes seed.

Sees that irrigation is maintained.

Operates/coordinates compost bins, soilbuilding, etc.

Keeps track of garden tools.

Promotes safety in the garden.

Identifies garden needs, suggests improvements.

*Amenities include:*

This position could begin as a work trade (24 hr/wk) with at least some
months of commitment, and evolve to a full membership in TSV.

Room and basic foods are provided by the community.

Opportunities for dialogue, learning and teaching related to sustainability,
and the resources of TSV and Terrasante Community.

 *Workshop "Boneyard" Manager*

TSV needs a person to manage our workshop area which encompasses about 1/2
acre of ramadas, storage sheds, and various hardware and projects.

The purpose of the TSV workshops is to provide the space and tools to create
sustainable infrastructure *as locally* as possible.

This person loves to tinker.  They like working with things mechanical and
electric.

They are good with tools, clever at solving problems, resourceful with the
items at hand.

This person will be friendly, communicative, capable, energetic. This person
can be a mentor.

*Responsibilities include*:

Coordination with the TSV members, TS Community and others about use of
tools, vehicles, etc.

Promotes safety with tools and vehicles, projects, and spaces.

Ensures that the workshop area stays clean, organized, clear of obstacles.

Keeps a focus on key TSV/TSC projects. (solar/wind well backup, electric
vehicle, etc.)

Helps plan and organize projects and helpers.

Identifies boneyard needs, suggests improvements.

*Amenities include:*

This position could begin as a work trade (24 hr/wk) with at least some
months of commitment, and evolve to a full membership in TSV.

Shelter and basic foods are provided by the community.

Opportunities for dialogue, learning and teaching related to sustainability,
and the resources of TSV and Terrasante Community.

 *Needed Stuff:*

 Solar panels & collectors

  - Photovoltaic solar panels, any size or condition
  - Parabolic satellite dishes
  - Mirrors, glass, mylar film, sheet aluminum
  - Copper pipes & tubing
  - Old solar lawn lights, any condition
Building materials

  - Rebar, EMT conduit, fencing & chicken wire
  - Greenhouse plastic, canvas, cotton, hemp, polyester
Tools for the workshop

  - Hand tools, power tools, machine tools
  - Welding equipment (arc & oxy-acetylene)
  - Numerically-controlled machine tools
Computer equipment

  - Small computer projector & screen for community library
  - Old digital camera (2 megapixel) for website photos
  - Old laptop computers, any age or condition
  for off-grid use, solar trackers, motor controllers, etc, etc
  (if possible with original power supply, batteries, cables, disks)
  - Old wifi access points & antennas, ethernet cables & routers
  - LCD flatscreen monitors, keyboards, mice

Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:41:49 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, hello at terrasante.org
Subject: Update

Hello All,
I forwarded to you the website update drafts that you did not get through
hello at terrasante.
Awaiting your feed back on those pages.
Did anyone talk with Chris about the hello at not working?
Do look at the beantreefarm.com website. We should include their link on the
links page!
I also downloaded some of their PDF's on the main computer about what they
do.
 They clearly have a commercialish theme going, and accommodate guests and
interns, as well as hosting workshops.
I think they probably just have the residential designation as far as I
know, so I'm encouraged that we would also appear to have some latitude,
none the less I think it prudent to be clearly NOT commercial or public at
this point in time.

I think we are good on the visitor page, and will make the edits suggested
by danny before I email to chris for installation on the TSV website.
thanks,
Bruce

Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:29:14 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: final draft visitor page on website.

Hi Chris,

Text below updates the visitor page. Can you mount on the website ASAP?

We will begin our residential redefinition soon, and the website should
reflect this.

Thanks,

Bruce

TerraSante Village does invite people for brief to extended visits.

Please contact us at hello at terrsante.org or 520-822-2940 if you think you
might like to visit.

For any visits we ask that you be clear about why, where you have been,
where you are going, what you hope to learn, and how long you wish to visit.
A resume and statement of intention are always appreciated. We will invite
you to visit if it seems mutually of benefit.

Visitors are responsible for their own safety, and that of their children
and pets.  Visitors must sign a release form (TerraSante Village Agreement)
if working or staying for more than a short time, and abide by our
Terrasante neighborhood
agreement<http://www.terrasante.org/community/agreement.html>
.

Courtesy and respect in all relations here.  Quiet hours 10 pm to 8 am.
Drug-free is our policy.  No smoking in or around community buildings.  Pets
may not roam, and must be attended at all times.  No guns at TerraSante.
People are expected to clean up after themselves, and then some.  Cleaning
help is always appreciated.

Those who stay here are expected to participate in our
mission<http://www.terrasante.org/community/mission.html>at TerraSante
Village and ongoing
projects <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/projects.html> Also see our wish
list <http://www.terrasante.org/community/wishlist.html>.
Desert climate & weather

Also see local weather<http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=32.112568&lon=-111.254296&site=twc&smap=1&marine=1&unit=0&lg=en&mp=1>and
climate
data <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/twc/climate/tus.php> from NWS.

*Winter* - Mostly sunny & dry with occasional rain.  Cold at night (-7C,
20-40 F), often just below freezing, and usually warms up nicely during the
day ( 50-70F, 21C).  Can get very windy!

*Summer* - Mostly sunny & dry, frequent short rainstorms during July &
August.  Can get very hot during the day (90-110F, 43C), and cools down at
night (60-80F, 27C).

Clothing in layers is always a good idea, along with a sun hat and plenty of
drinking water in hot weather.

For safety, and minimizing our impact on the desert, please stay on roadways
& designated paths.  Elsewhere are ongoing construction, open ditches, and
cactus.  In summer we encounter rattlesnakes, scorpions, spiders.  At night,
a good flashlight or headlamp is essential.
Local resources

*Roble's Junction/3 Points* (west 3 miles) - Gas station, cafe, hardware &
dollar stores.

*Tucson, Arizona* (east 20 miles) - Pima County commuter bus (one round trip
each weekday),

*Nearby* -Avra Valley, Altar Valley, Sierrita Mountains, Sonoran Desert
Museum, Saguaro National Park, Tucson Mountain Park, Tohono O'odham Nation,
Kitt Peak Observatory, Old Tucson Studios etc.

Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:43:09 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, hello at terrasante.org
Subject: Re: Woof

Yes but you didn't get the copy I sent via hello at , so is that resolved?

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I asked Chris about why we hadn't received the recent volunteer inquiries.
> He pointed out that the ones we had received in the past were volunteer
> inquiries made to hello at terrasante.org.  The inquiries we hadn't received
> recently were to scher at terrsante.org.
> Chris says the email attached to the Terrasante listing in the Woof site is
> the scher at terrasante.org address.
> Chris told me that only Bruce- you- have the login and password to the Woof
> site, so only you can change the email that appears, when people reply to
> the Woof site.
> At this time the email that appears on the Woof site is:
> scher at terrasante.org.
> If all of us are to screen applicants, the hello at terrsante address needs
> to be attached to the Woof website.
>
> Diana
>
>
> 2011/3/2 Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
>
> Hi Amber,
>> What interests you about TerraSante Village?
>> What have you been doing at La Buena Vida?
>> Can you send us a resume?
>> Thanks,
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Amber Nitchman <amber.nitchman at gmail
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I saw your farm's description on the wwoof website and was interested
>>> in coming early March to stay for a few weeks to a few months,
>>> depending on how things go. I am currently woofing at La Buena Vida
>>> Farm in Portal, AZ and have been for about a month, but I'd like to
>>> try other farms to get some different perspectives and experiences.
>>> Besides my time here I have had little farming experience but am
>>> willing to learn and work hard. Let me know if you have availability
>>> around that time. I don't have a car but could likely get dropped off
>>> in a nearby city.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Amber Nitchman
>>>
>>> 717-682-7483
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:47:51 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>
Subject: calender doesn't show board/annual meeting yet

Hi Chris,
Can we get the calender listing for our TSV annual meeting put up ASAP? Sent
you info. some days ago.
Let me know if I need to resend.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 02:22:00 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: re: calender doesn't show board/annual meeting yet

hi bruce,

annual meeting date is posted, along with other items & updates.

also, hello at terrasante.org seems to be working ok.  why do you think it isn't?

chris

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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:47:51 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>
Subject: calender doesn't show board/annual meeting yet

Hi Chris,
Can we get the calender listing for our TSV annual meeting put up ASAP? Sent you info. some days ago.
Let me know if I need to resend.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 09:02:36 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: calender doesn't show board/annual meeting yet

Hi Chris,
Thanks for getting those updates on!
More to follow soon.
What do you think of the beantreefarm.com website?
Diana and Rick and Danny said they were not getting posts from hello, but
maybe they are now. They seem to know about the Nepal guy.
Bruce

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:22 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> hi bruce,
>
> annual meeting date is posted, along with other items & updates.
>
> also, hello at terrasante.org seems to be working ok.  why do you think it
> isn't?
>
> chris
>
>
> ------
> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:47:51 -0700
> From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
> To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
> Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>,
> Danny August <danny at terrasante>
> Subject: calender doesn't show board/annual meeting yet
>
>
> Hi Chris,
> Can we get the calender listing for our TSV annual meeting put up ASAP?
> Sent you info. some days ago.
> Let me know if I need to resend.
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>

Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:08:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Subject: wifi

Chris,
The wifi signal is not yet reaching the eastern portion of Terrasante Village.

--the Terrasante Village council

Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:52:39 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Rick Hubbs <rick at terrasante>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>
Cc: Terrasante Community Tech Support <it at terrasante>
Subject: re: wifi

hi everyone,

please address technical problems to Terrasante Community Tech Support <it at terrasante> so that all of us can know what is going on.  issues will be addressed asap within 24-48 hours.

adjustment of the new wifi equipment is still in progress.  i'll give a full report to the 'council' at the next tuesday morning meeting.

meanwhile, wifi inside bruce's house should be functional and reliable (ssid name: terra, wep password: sante)

thanks, chris

------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:08:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Subject: wifi

Chris,
The wifi signal is not yet reaching the eastern portion of Terrasante Village.

--the Terrasante Village council

Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:02:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: plant walk, posting to website

Chris:
a second offering for the sustainability weekend. pls. post
thx.
d.

https://sites.google.com/site/controlledfollyproductions/home

Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:08:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Subject: Wifi signal not yet reaching east Terrasante

17 March

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>; Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>; Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>; Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>; Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 1:08:24 PM
Subject: wifi

Chris,
The wifi signal is not yet reaching the eastern portion of Terrasante Village.

--the Terrasante Village council

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:26:06 +0000
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group

Hi Chris,

I haven't been receiving emails from hello at terrasante.org group.  Could you
please add me on?

Thanks,

Diana

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
Date: 2011/3/17
Subject: Wifi signal not yet reaching east Terrasante
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>,
Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, Diana Elbirt <
facturelli at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>

17 March

----- Forwarded Message ----
*From:* Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
*To:* Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>; Chris VanSprouts <
vansprouts at mac>; Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>; Diana
Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>; Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
*Sent:* Fri, March 11, 2011 1:08:24 PM
*Subject:* wifi

Chris,
The wifi signal is not yet reaching the eastern portion of Terrasante
Village.

--the Terrasante Village council

-- Diana Elbirt
facturelli at gmail

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Subject: Fw: plant walk, posting to website

events tomorrow, need to be posted to website

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 12:02:41 PM
Subject: plant walk,  posting to website

Chris:
a second offering for the sustainability weekend. pls. post
thx.
d.

https://sites.google.com/site/controlledfollyproductions/home

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Subject: Fw: Fwd: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group

This goes for me too.
danny

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>; Danny August <danny at terrasante>; Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 8:57:42 AM
Subject: Fwd: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
Date: 2011/3/17
Subject: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>

Hi Chris,

I haven't been receiving emails from hello at terrasante.org group.  Could you please add me on?

Thanks,

Diana

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
Date: 2011/3/17
Subject: Wifi signal not yet reaching east Terrasante
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>

17 March

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>; Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>; Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>; Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>; Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 1:08:24 PM
Subject: wifi

Chris,
The wifi signal is not yet reaching the eastern portion of Terrasante Village.

--the Terrasante Village council -- Diana Elbirt
facturelli at gmail

-- Diana Elbirt
facturelli at gmail

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:33:12 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Terrasante First Contact <hello at terrasante>
Cc: Terrasante Community Tech Support <it at terrasante>
Subject: re: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group

dear hello at terrasante.org group,

seem like you -are- on the list.  i haven't changed anything since it was last working.  maybe something's wrong with your email, or the email of the person whose message didn't get to you.

if you'd like to test the 'hello' forwarder at any time, just send something to hello at terrasante.org and see if it comes back to you.

please address all technical problems to Terrasante Community Tech Support <it at terrasante> so that all of us can know what is going on.  issues will be addressed asap within 24-48 hours.

thanks, chris

------
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:26:06 +0000
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group

Hi Chris,

I haven't been receiving emails from hello at terrasante.org group.  Could you please add me on?

Thanks,

Diana

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Chris VanSprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Danny August <dannyatterrasante at yahoo>, Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
Subject: Fw: Fwd: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group

This goes for me too.
danny

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>; Danny August <danny at terrasante>; Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 8:57:42 AM
Subject: Fwd: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Diana Elbirt <facturelli at gmail>
Date: 2011/3/17
Subject: I'm not listed on the hello at terrasante.org forward group
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>

Hi Chris,

I haven't been receiving emails from hello at terrasante.org group.  Could you please add me on?

Thanks,

Diana

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:29:11 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Vincent Pawlowski <pawlowski at ultrasw>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Bob Vierck <solarbob at terrasante>
Subject: Re: Equinox Schedule of Events

So here is the schedule I know thus far,
Vince had to go to DC- so he won't make it.

Saturday
Desert plant walk 10-12 AM with Danny
Growing plants in the desert. 1-3 PM. with Victoria
Sunday
Earthbag and ferrocement  building 10-12 AM  with Bruce
Forum on sustainability from an indigenous view 1-3 PM with Danny and
Martha.
Other subjects depending on the skills and desires of whoever shows up.

I haven't heard from Bob, so I guess he'll fit in wherever.

Chris will post on the website- thank you all!
Bruce

Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:34:46 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry <hertz33 at earthlink.net>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, amy m <amymortier at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, joshua <jjwaffles at juno>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, amy b <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Cc: website at terrasante.org
Subject: terrasante.org website report & work log

dear bruce, rick, victoria, & everyone,

in anticipation of the terrasante village annual board meeting, i've put together this report on the terrasante.org website, along with some serious questions about the intentions and future of terrasante village.

  http://metasofa.org/vansprouts/tsweb1103.html

thanks for your time to read it, and hope you'll find it useful.

chris

Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org website report & work log

Chris:

  Thanks for sending me your website report and work log.  Keep up the good work and hope you find a right relationship with Terrasante.

Love,
Will

William Foster, PhD
 Faculty Associate
 Science, Technology, and Society
 Arizona State University Polytechnic
 publications at http://www.FosterandBrahm.com

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
[ see above ]

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:32:40 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
Subject: re: terrasante.org website report & work log

thanks will, i'm hoping for the best for everyone :)  e-yrz, chris

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Foster <wfoster8560 at yahoo>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org website report & work log

[ see above ]

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:52:14 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry <hertz33 at earthlink.net>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, amy m <amymortier at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, joshua <jjwaffles at juno>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, amy b <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Subject: Terrasante Village Annual Board Meeting - this Tuesday 2pm

does everyone know that Terrasante Village's Annual Board Meeting (for the non-profit corporation) is tomorrow, Tuesday, March 22, 2:00 PM at David Kohlberg's place?

(if not, maybe it should be re-scheduled so people can come if they want to... ?)

just a messenger,
chris

------
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:17:36 +0000
From: jjwaffles at juno
To: vansprouts at mac
Subject: Re: terrasante.org website report & work log

hi Chris v.....when is the date of the meeting?...Jj

------
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:34:46 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: terrasante.org website report & work log

[ see above ]

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:00:01 -0700
From: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
To: 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: RE: Terrasante Village Annual Board Meeting - this Tuesday 2pm

I enjoyed reading your post . . . am wondering what happened to plan B . . .
?

-----Original Message-----
From: chris vansprouts [mailto:vansprouts at mac] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:52 AM
To: bruce; rick; victoria; tim; diana; martha; larry; david; jetana; tom;
amy m; brian; joshua; deborah; brahm; amy b
Subject: Terrasante Village Annual Board Meeting - this Tuesday 2pm

[ see above ]

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:10:09 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Subject: re: Terrasante Village Annual Board Meeting - this Tuesday 2pm

thanks victoria!  i guess plan B is some combination of plans A & C, and plan X would be a combination of W & Y...  plan Z is when the helicopters actually land here instead of flying past... :)

------
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:00:01 -0700
From: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
To: 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: RE: Terrasante Village Annual Board Meeting - this Tuesday 2pm

[ see above ]

Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:13:02 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org website report & work log

Hi Chris,
I am interested in seeing the website become more of an educational
resource. It is true that more time could be spent in making it a linking
site for information.
It takes almost a full time person to develop those links and connections- I
wish I had more time, but at least we are on the map!
Lots of unfinished projects, that's for sure- we have a long way to go
before we could call ourselves sustainable.
I don't think there is anything misleading here- we are like most
communities in that regard, the difference being we are setting clear
intention towards that sustainability goal which was also the intent to
become non-profit. Such a goal serves the planet and local community by
definition and deserves to be free of commercial label. To be affordable and
widely implementable sustainability solutions should be free of financial
obstacles that would limit their expression.
Terrasante Village can be a resource for ourselves to develop sustainably
here, and share that example with the world.
It would be good to attract expertise in that regard, and i do see us as
part of a network of communities.

I appreciate the contributions you have made with regard to the website and
network. I too have invested my time and $$$ in this experiment. I have done
so with the best interests as I see for intentional community here.
I have not been counting my hours, we decided to forgo this among resident
members at TSV as long as we are happy with one another's contribution. If I
had then I would probably be a millionaire!

Our terms of agreement were as a donation of your time in return for your
accommodation.
I offered some months back (Oct?) that we should change this to fee for
service, (ie you keeping track of hours), but you declined.
It's rather odd now that you offer such accounting retroactive.
The fact is that all of us (you included) are not happy with your service
under the existing terms, and have been so for months!
We would prefer to *choose* whom we want to work on our website.
We have repeatedly asked for the keys and codes to do so.
I think the group of us who are TerraSante Village can figure it out,
perhaps with some instructions from you, if you are willing.
It seems to me that if it's not a good fit for your person or values, then
personal integrity should tell you to abdicate.
Your residence and security issues I am willing to entertain, but only so
long as I have your cooperation.
Cooperation is the essence of community.
Community *is* your reason for being here, yes?

Thanks,
Bruce

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:34 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> dear bruce, rick, victoria, & everyone,
>
> in anticipation of the terrasante village annual board meeting, i've put
> together this report on the terrasante.org website, along with some
> serious questions about the intentions and future of terrasante village.
>
http://metasofa.org/vansprouts/tsweb1103.html >
> thanks for your time to read it, and hope you'll find it useful.
>
> chris

Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:15:06 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: Terrasante Village Annual Board Meeting - this Tuesday 2pm

Yes I did send out an email to all members of TSV.
Thanks for reminding folks.
Bruce

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
[ see above ]

Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:50:20 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, "Ted J. Cooper" <tjcooper_1999 at yahoo>, Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>
Subject: TSV annual meeting 22 March 2011 notes/draft pending approval

Hello All,
 Here are my notes from our meeting this afternoon as I recall them.
Please feel free to suggest corrections/ additions.
Thanks,
Bruce

TerraSante Village Annual Meeting 22 Dec 2011, Kohlberg porch 2:45 PM
Board members present:
Bruce Scher, Rick Hubbs, Victoria White (alt.), absent: Amy Belanger
Resident members present:
Bruce Scher, Rick Hubbs, Diana Elbert, Danny August
Supporting members present:
David Kohlberg, Tom Mendola, Chris Van Sprouts
Absent supporting members:
Amy Mortier, Ted Cooper, Debra Maayan
Guests included:
Martha Dominiguez

After some discussion of what constituted a quorum we consulted the bylaws
and decided we had one.

Agenda:
1. Finances 2010
2. Change to membership rules
3. Election of Board members
4. Directions/Goals for 2011
5. Gift Presentation

Finances:
Accounting this year was transferred from paper to an excell spreadsheet,
Diana assisted with tallying numbers, and will do so for 2011 ongoing.
Expenses for 2010 totalled $6518. Income totalled $4227. Bruces S, Covered
the diffference at $2291.
Bruce S. expressed his delight at some relief from uncovered expenses that
avereaged $5000 in each of '08 & '09.

Change to membership rules:
The board agreed that TSV *resident members*, (not the board) should have
the decision as to whom to invite or dismiss as resident members, and that
the membership and affiliation agreement should reflect that.

Board Election:
For purposes of the board election vote it was decided by concensus that
supporting members who were present to participate do indeed have a full
vote.
Tom Mendola moved that existing present board members be re-elected.
There was discussion on rules of order regarding the procedure of
nominations.
We consulted the bylaws to identify the possibility of 5 board members, and
agreed more would be good than the existing three.
Since half at least of the board is stipulated to be composed of resident
members, this allowed for one more community member and one more resident
member.
David Kohlberg declined a nomination. Lisa (last name?) was nominated, Danny
phoned her to leave a message.
Diana Elbert was nominated.
By a show of hands it ws agreed that Bruce Scher, Rick Hubbs, Victoria
White, and Diana Elbert should serve for the next year.

Directions for 2011:
Bruce expressed his intention to continue a role as educational via the
website and visitor exchanges, networking, etc, but not in the guise of an
educational institution like a school, as this is problematic for the county
zoning people and our ability to resolve our violations with the county.
Having lost the unsustainable designation of "commercial" & "public" given
by the county, we must now fit into the context of "residential" &
"private", and the allowed land uses thereby while still following our
mission to promote sustainability.
We plan to resolve the questions later this week with zoning when we send
them our plan for resolution.
That plan likely involves building a residence on 13551, the boneyard
parcel. This is in keeping with our goal for more housing at TSV, and would
add 2 bedrooms. The acquisition of a building permit allows us to move at
least a travel trailer (housing) back on to the property.

Chris brought up a concern as to the $ value of time contributions/donations
to TSV.
Bruce expressed an objection to turning time into a $ equivalent if it's
given in the spirit of donation.
Victoria indicated that grant proposals typically must account for time.
After some discussion it was agreed that time contributions of volunteers &
members should be tallied as a donation, and the monthly/yearly totals
included in the annual report, but that it would not be monetized.
The information exists on the TSV work logs to be tallied.
Bruce indicated that the original intent of the work logs was 1. To indicate
over time that people support us and  2.To give regular feedback to
volunteers & TSV members regarding fulfillment of agreements about time
commitments.

Diana expressed some desire for more continuity of managerial aspects of
TSV.
Martha suggested that we arrange a stipend of some sort to cover paying
someone (Diana?) some amount for doing more of the managerial/accounting
tasks.
Danny offered that none of the resident members were payed at present. Where
the funding of that would come from was unclear.
Martha offered to raise some funds for managerial tasks.

Bruce offered that it would be good to focus on the
plants/gardens/greenhouses and our optimization of food potential as
consistent with our mission, and clearly within the scope of land use under
our RH zoning.
Bruce proposed that protection of plants/fruit predation by birds become a
priority. Cages to enclose the main garden are proposed.

Chris wished to discuss his 4 scenarios of outcome with regard to TSV's
future, but most had not yet read his email. He expressed reservations and
disclarity as to the direction and goals of TSV, and his sense that the
website does not accurately reflect us, but is a snapshot from 2 years ago.
Most agreed that the website needs improvement, and that it is a continual
work-in-progress.
It was agreed to discuss the matter later outside of the annual meeting,
when others had read the email.

Tom's gift:
Tom presented Bruce with a handmade, bluish glazed ceramic coffee-mug from
Bisbee.

The meeting ended with Martha's expression of gratitude.

Thank you all,

Bruce Scher

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:48:55 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, David Kohlberg <davidkepf at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Martha Dominguez <marthacd at earthlink.net>, Ted Cooper <tjcooper_1999 at yahoo>, Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, Brian McCue <brianthewizard at yahoo>
Cc: Liisa Reid <liisa.1.reid at gmail>
Subject: re: TSV annual meeting 22 March 2011 notes/draft pending approval

thanks for writing these minutes, bruce.  i'd like to suggest the following corrections and additions:

+  also present: Brian McCue (are brian and martha supporting members ?)

+  Liisa Reid was nominated, Danny phoned her and left a message.  Deborah Mayaan was also nominated, but Bruce declined on her behalf, and she was not contacted.

+  Chris brought up a concern that the value of time & labor contributions/donations to TSV has been ignored by TSV, and not included with other TSV accounting such as dollars & material donations.

+  Chris wished to discuss his website report with regard to TSV's unclear intentions & future, but many had not read the report.  He expressed his sense that the website does not accurately reflect us, and his wish that TSV needs improvement towards the ideals shown in the 2009 website.  All agreed that the website needs improvement, and that it is a continual work-in-progress.  It was agreed to discuss the matter further in the next Web/PR Committee meeting, after everyone has had time to read Chris's emailed report.

thanks everyone,
chris

( btw, for those who haven't read my website report, it's not a demanding selfish rant as tom would have everyone believe.  in writing it, i had advice and support from many here and elsewhere to make it positive, objective, clear, and useful for everyone involved.  please take some time to read it and understand it, if you care about the past & future of terrasante village - http://cv.metasofa.org/tsweb1103.html )

------ Original Message ------
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:50:20 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, "Ted J. Cooper" <tjcooper_1999 at yahoo>, Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>
Subject: TSV annual meeting 22 March 2011 notes/draft pending approval

[ see above ]

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:07:18 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, David Kohlberg <davidkepf at gmail>, Rick Hubbs <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Martha Dominguez <marthacd at earthlink.net>, Ted Cooper <tjcooper_1999 at yahoo>, Deborah Mayaan <deborah at deborahmayaan>, Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>, Brian McCue <brianthewizard at yahoo>, Liisa Reid <liisa.1.reid at gmail>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: revised minutes of TSV board meeting

Hello All,
 Here are notes from our meeting with additions as suggested by Chris and
Tom.
Please feel free to suggest corrections/ additions.
Thanks,
Bruce

TerraSante Village Annual Meeting 22 Dec 2011, Kohlberg porch 2:45 PM
Board members present:
Bruce Scher, Rick Hubbs, Victoria White (alt.), absent: Amy Belanger
Resident members present:
Bruce Scher, Rick Hubbs, Diana Elbert, Danny August
Supporting members present:
David Kohlberg, Tom Mendola, Chris Van Sprouts
Absent supporting members:
Amy Mortier, Ted Cooper, Debra Maayan
Guests included:
Martha Dominiguez, Brian McCue

After some discussion of what constituted a quorum we consulted the bylaws
and decided we had one.

Agenda:
1. Finances 2010
2. Change to membership rules
3. Election of Board members
4. Directions/Goals for 2011
5. Gift Presentation

Finances:
Accounting this year was transferred from paper to an excell spreadsheet,
Diana assisted with tallying numbers, and will do so for 2011 ongoing.
Expenses for 2010 totaled $6518. Income totaled $4227. Bruce S, Covered the
difference at $2291.
Bruce S. expressed his delight at some relief from uncovered expenses that
averaged $5000 in each of '08 & '09.

Change to membership rules:
The board agreed that TSV *resident members*, (not the board) should have
the decision as to whom to invite or dismiss as resident members, and that
the membership and affiliation agreement should reflect that.

Board Election:
For purposes of the board election vote it was decided by consensus that
supporting members who were present to participate do indeed have a full
vote.
Tom Mendola moved that existing present board members be re-elected.
There was discussion on rules of order regarding the procedure of
nominations.
We consulted the bylaws to identify the possibility of 5 board members, and
agreed more would be good than the existing three.
Since half at least of the board is stipulated to be composed of resident
members, this allowed for one more community member and one more resident
member.
David Kohlberg declined a nomination.
Liisa Reid was nominated, Danny phoned her and left a message.
Diana Elbert was nominated.
Deborah Mayaan was also nominated, but Bruce declined on her behalf as per
her recent expressions, and she was not contacted.
By a show of hands it was agreed that Bruce Scher, Rick Hubbs, Victoria
White, and Diana Elbert should serve for the next year.

Directions for 2011:
Bruce expressed his intention to continue a role as educational via the
website and visitor exchanges, networking, etc, but not in the guise of an
educational institution like a school, as this is problematic for the county
zoning people and our ability to resolve our violations with the county.
Having lost the unsustainable designation of "commercial" & "public" given
by the county, we must now fit into the context of "residential" &
"private", and the allowed land uses thereby while still following our
mission to promote sustainability.
We plan to resolve the questions later this week with zoning when we send
them our plan for resolution.
That plan likely involves building a residence on 13551, the boneyard
parcel. This is in keeping with our goal for more housing at TSV, and would
add 2 bedrooms. The acquisition of a building permit allows us to move at
least a travel trailer (housing) back on to the property.

Chris brought up a concern that the value of time & labor
contributions/donations to TSV has been ignored by TSV, and not included
with other TSV accounting such as dollars & material donations.
Bruce expressed an objection to turning time into a $ equivalent if it's
given in the spirit of donation.
Victoria indicated that grant proposals typically must account for time.
After some discussion it was agreed that time contributions of volunteers &
members should be tallied as a donation, and the monthly/yearly totals
included in the annual report, but that it would not be monetized.
The information exists on the TSV work logs to be tallied.
Bruce indicated that the original intent of the work logs was 1. To indicate
over time that people support us and  2.To give regular feedback to
volunteers & TSV members regarding fulfillment of agreements about time
commitments.

Diana expressed some desire for more continuity of managerial aspects of
TSV.
Martha suggested that we arrange a stipend of some sort to cover paying
someone (Diana?) some amount for doing more of the managerial/accounting
tasks.
Danny offered that none of the resident members were payed at present. Where
the funding of that would come from was unclear.
Martha offered to raise some funds for managerial tasks.

Bruce offered that it would be good to focus on the
plants/gardens/greenhouses and our optimization of food potential as
consistent with our mission, and clearly within the scope of land use under
our RH zoning.
Bruce proposed that protection of plants/fruit predation by birds become a
priority. Cages to enclose the main garden are proposed.

Chris wished to discuss his website report with regard to TSV's unclear
intentions & future, but many had not read the report.  He expressed his
sense that the website does not accurately reflect us, and his wish that TSV
needs improvement towards the ideals shown in the 2009 website.  All agreed
that the website needs improvement, and that it is a continual
work-in-progress.  It was agreed to discuss the matter further in the next
Web/PR Committee meeting, after everyone has had time to read Chris's
emailed report.

Tom's gift:
Tom presented Bruce with a handmade, bluish glazed ceramic coffee-mug from
Bisbee.
"the gift of a mug with a wide base,...was to honor and cultivate stability
in the receiver ......"

The meeting ended with Martha's expression of gratitude.

Thank you all,

Bruce Scher

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:13:04 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>
Subject: Fwd: draft update to website permaculture page

Hi Chris,
We are agreed this page should mount to replace the existing permaculture
page.
Thanks, Bruce

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:36 PM
Subject: draft update to website permaculture page
To: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>,
Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>

I removed the 1/4 acre reference, boldened the disclaimer "planned or
already in progress".
Needs a better picture of the pole barn. Bruce

Permaculture Projects *Projects planned or already in progress
*

*Terra Sante* means sacred earth.  Sloping gently from the 6000-ft Sierrita
mountains toward Brawley wash at 2400-ft, the valley here was once a vast
grassland with occasional mesquite and cactus.  In the 1800's it was badly
overgrazed by ranching.  Large scale farming activity has dropped the water
table from 12 feet to around 100 feet.  Now numerous mesquite, sparse
grasses, and an assortment of cacti grow here.  The scars are deep and new
threats loom, such as buffelgrass.  The issue ultimately becomes how to
manage the desert ecology.
 [image: [pm4cholla.jpg]] <http://www.terrasante.org/media/pm4cholla.jpg>
  [image: [pm3663g0706a.jpg]]<http://www.terrasante.org/media/pm3663g0706a.jpg>

Here we are experimenting with permaculture.  Earth scooped from open places
creates crescent shaped holes (swales) where water collects.  The soil is
used for berm walls and bulding projects.  Retaining the water from rainfall
increases local soil moisture to the benefit of plants and facilitates dry
farming.  The swales also mitigate sheet flooding, perhaps adding to gradual
percolation.  Mesquite trees in the swales double, possibly triple, their
water uptake, thus leafing earlier and more lushly, providing more shade,
and more food in the form of mesquite beans.  They have fixed more carbon
than their unswaled neighbors!

Over time, the swales become fertile shady bosques full of plants like
mesquite, wolfberry, grasses, and communities of various plants.  Appearance
in the new swales of numerous amphibians with the summer rains was a welcome
surprise.  Sculpting the earth in this way promotes oasification, the
opposite of desertification.  Of particular interest are which plants we can
grow in the swales to also provide us with food, medicine, and building
materials.

Shower water feeds a small pond where carrizo, a native reed grows quite
fast.  Carrizo can be used in wattle & daub construction, woven structures,
or with cob as a structural reinforcement, much like the rebar in concrete,
at a fraction of the carbon footprint.  We are also reusing other domestic
greywater, and gradually creating more storage for rainfall.  We have the
goal of operating our well pumps on solar/wind electric, initially as a
backup, and ultimately in daily use.
 [image: [pm3739a.jpg]] <http://www.terrasante.org/media/pm3739a.jpg>
  [image:
[pm0472a.jpg]] <http://www.terrasante.org/media/pm0472a.jpg>

Agriculture at TerraSante includes sustainably harvesting desert plants and
seeds, growing and preparing raw foods, and organic fruit and vegetable
gardening.  Our year-round intensive organic garden demonstrates locally
sustainable food production and the high value of fresh raw foods.  ( note -
resident gardener position available - please see wish
list<http://www.terrasante.org/community/wishlist.html>)

Fruit bearing trees (apple, pear, cherry, jujube, persimmon, moringa, plum,
apricot, peach, almond) are planted in two large swales.  Swale moisture
will be optimized by drip irrigation, shade and mulching.  We also plan to
explore espalier.  We have been successful in growing grapes, they create
delightful shade!  Ultimately we hope to optimize the food output while
minimizing energy & water input, and see how this compares (local vs.
imported from california) in terms of carbon footprint, food quality, etc.

One project anticipated perhaps for 2014 would be a 15 foot (or 5 meter)
deep excavation, 30 feet across, covered with a geodesic dome and terraces.
Theoretically, tropical species might be grown in the protected walls of the
earth.  The dome could be fitted with covers to control moisture,
temperature, etc.  The goal again would be to optimize carbon fixation to
provide food, medicine, and fiber in a way that is long-term sustainable.

Other possible projects include ecological animal husbandry with chickens,
goats, tilapia pisciculture, and algae farming.
 [image: [polebarn.jpg]]
<http://www.arizonanativeseed.com/>

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:16:53 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>
Subject: Fwd: draft changes for website solar energy page

Hi Chris please mount on website to replace existing page.
Thanks,
bruce

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:29 PM
Subject: draft changes for website solar energy page
To: Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>,
Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>

I diddled with it here and there. I do make reference to helpers needed on
the unfinished projects. It seems clear to me that not all projects are
complete, but maybe someone can add to that emphasis? I removed the link to
Renovation nation video.
Thanks,
Bruce

Solar / Wind / Electric Projects *projects in progress or planned*

[image: se0666u.jpg]Electric
Vehicles<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/electricar.html>- Tired of
waiting for electric vehicles to reach the market, and knowing
the vested interests in suppressing their development (see "Who Killed The
Electric Car? <http://www.google.com/search?q=who.killed.the.electric.car>"),
we have taken matters into our own hands, and assembled the parts to begin
conversion of existing serviceable vehicles to electric.  We need a helper
to complete this project. We plan to use surplus industrial motors (240V
3phase), and upgrade batteries as they become available.  We have a variety
of pulse width modulating motor speed controllers which we hope to adapt to
the task, unless one can be purchased within our budget.  In the future we
would like to see wheel
motor<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/electricar.html>development
which allows for simple hybridization to electric for existing
vehicles.

[image: [se3740a.jpg]] Electric
Rototiller<http://www.terrasante.org/media/se3740a.jpg>2005 - Simple
and very useful conversion from a two-cycle gasoline engine to
120vac.

[image: [se3730b.jpg]] Wind Energy
Harvest<http://www.terrasante.org/media/se3730b.jpg>- We often get
windy periods when there is harvestable wind energy. We are
collecting DC motors & Props for wind projects. We plan to harvest more
wind.

*Grid Tie Solar PV System* - We investigated purchasing 2000 watts of new
solar PV panels to do a grid tie PV system which would meet about 75% of
TerraSante Village's domestic needs.  The outlay was $14,000, the rebates
subsidies around $11,000.  Payback we came up with roughly 8-12 years on the
$3000 difference.  We are looking forward to a grant or donation for this.
We hope that credit/loans for such ventures becomes US government policy
plan to "stimulate the economy".

[image: [se0535a.jpg]] Solar Hot
Water<http://www.terrasante.org/media/se0535a.jpg>2004 - This simple
"tank in a box" generates about 3 hot showers most winter
days.  We plan to double that capacity.  In summer there is endless HOT
water, when of course nobody wants hot showers.  There should be a way to
turn this hot water heat into motion.  Did someone say Minto Wheel?

[image: [se0122b.jpg]] Solar Box
Oven<http://www.terrasante.org/media/se0122b.jpg>- This solar oven
utilizes recycled materials mostly.  It will track sun
when finished.  We are aiming for 175c/350f temp. This project needs a
helper to finish.

*Fresnel Solar Saute* - Saute for the (outdoor) kitchen.  Cutting out the
carbon (propane) needed to cook, cooking to be done during daytime. Needs
someone to build.

*Solar Food Dehydrators *- We need more capacity to dry fruits and veggies
in season. We need help with these constructions.

[image: [se0688b.jpg]]Mirror Array / Boiler / Steam
Engine<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/renovation2.html>- This as
yet to be completed mirror array will focus light on a boiler to
generate steam for a steam engine to run a generator.  We have surplus
hydraulic receivers which we think will serve for boilers, and defunct air
compressors we plan to revalve and run in reverse for steam engines. Needs a
skilled helper.

[image: [fresnel2a.jpg]] Solar Sweat
Lodge<http://www.terrasante.org/media/fresnel2a.jpg>- We will use the
sun to heat rocks for daytime sweating/cleansing.  We hope
to complete a Fresnel box, with a focal point under the box at ground level.

[image: [se0214a.jpg]] Parabolic Dish
Furnace<http://www.terrasante.org/media/se0214a.jpg>- We have
collected a number of old satellite receiver dishes which can be
coated with solar-reflective material to generate heat at the focal point.
Could be fun....

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:19:37 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: Fwd: draft for changes to website earth architecture page

Hi Chris,
Please update website Earth architecture page as below.
Thanks,
Bruce

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:06 PM
Subject: draft for changes to website earth architecture page
To: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>,
Danny August <danny at terrasante>

I added another line to emphasize future projects.
seems clear to me.
Maybe someone can add text to strengthen a disclaimer?
Thanks,
Bruce

Earth Architecture & Building Projects *projects in progress or planned*

We propose these alternatives to the intensive subdivision / wood-frame
stucco boxes and mobile homes with which folly threatens to cover the land.
We believe that environmentally friendly "green" architecture is both
beautiful and a better solution to balance the human impact in the long term
for the Sonoran desert.

Earthbag Projects

Weathered from the once tall Sierrita Mtns. is harvested earth that makes a
perfect adobe.  This earth, placed moist into a sandbag (or tube of the same
material), stacked and packed, becomes a "brick" when dry.  The walls are
plastered to create curved walls, arches, vaults and domes.  The resulting
curvy architecture has an organic quality that is softly pleasing to the
eye, and is also inherently sturdy.  Earth as a building material has
advantages in the desert.  Most of the animals that live here live in the
earth for good reason.  With passive solar design, and walls 14-16" thick,
thermal mass keeps the structure warm in winter and cool in summer.  Using a
local material to create buildings minimizes the need for imported materials
such as lumber and fiberglass, and energy / carbon dioxide intensive
products like cement for concrete or block.
 [image: [pithouset.jpg]]
Earthbag Pithouse <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/pithouse.html> 2001-2
12-ft diameter, $500 of new materials, many recycled materials.  Built
mostly by two people over 8 weekends.  Thermal lag moderates the temperature
extremes.
 [image: [ed4extplastert.jpg]]
HybriDome <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/earthdome.html> 2003
16-ft diameter, $1000 of new materials.  Modeled after the "Honey House" in
Moab Utah.  Lack of tubes forced a change of plan to ferrocement for dome
closure.  Polystyrene chunks recycled into insulation between the nesting
domes.

*Possible Future Projects:
*

*Five-sided Food Lab* - An experiment with straight walls.  Earthbag walls
have inherent stability as curves, straight runs require additional
reinforcement.  This building has a concrete footer.

*Terradome Sunken Garden* - A terraced garden to a depth of 12 feet, capped
with a geodesic dome which controls humidity and temperature.  An experiment
in food production.

*Wizards Tower* - A Place for Gandalf when he visits.

Ferrocement and Sustainability at Terrasante Village

A part of our mission at TSV is to experiment with what is not extensively
utilized in order to identify methods and materials which may be key to our
future survival especially if they can knock out CO2 emissions. This is our
contribution to the sustainability puzzle. It will take many people and
groups working on these issues to solve them. Those answers will come from
the field. Just as genetic diversity allows for plants to adapt to new
environments, our strength as a species and survival depends on many small
groups working on these problems simultaneously in their local areas and
networking. Think of us all as a parallel processor. Those solutions will
come from the bottom up.

It is important to explore the ways which people which have solved human
needs that are sparing of resources. In the realm of shelter we have
experimented with earthbag as a building material. Earth is locally
available, cost little, and has performed wonderfully from an energy/comfort
standpoint. We find ferrocement to be particularly helpful when combined
with earthbag for stabilization and integration of disparate elements into
the whole. Ferrocement is essentially a web of steel & silica fabric
typically an inch or less thick which can be fixed to any shape and is
incredibly strong when tugged, pushed, or flexed. The method is used
worldwide for 50+ years in many communities for public buildings, homes,
water tanks, boat hulls, and decorative elements. (also see
calearth.org<http://www.calearth.org/>,
okokok.org <http://www.okokok.org/> and
ferrocement.org<http://www.ferrocement.org/>
)

The ferrocement method is in use as a solution for vulnerable buildings in
earthquake zones. Ferrocement box structures as precast/ lower cost, high
strength structural elements have also been developed for flooring and
roofing of buildings. (also see
cat.inist.fr<http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1663817>,
am-cor.com paper<http://www.am-cor.com/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_8_paper.pdf>&
slideshow<http://www.am-cor.com/media/filer_public/2011/02/15/awm_ferro_8_slideshow.pdf>,
uet.edu.pk<http://www.uet.edu.pk/export/sites/UETWebPortal/research/researchinfo/journal/volume2/8.pdf>,
imacwww.epfl.ch<http://imacwww.epfl.ch/Publications/StructuralDynamics/ElGawady-Lestuzzi-Badoux-state_art-13IBMaC.pdf>,
and bhrc.ac.ir<http://www.bhrc.ac.ir/Publication/AJCE/PDF/Vol6-No6/kumar-7.pdf>
)

While ferrocement involves the use of materials which are energy intensive
(steel and cement), they may make it possible to eliminate the need for
other energy intensive materials or components, and pay for themselves in
energy usage savings later on by permitting the use of existing materials
which were otherwise problematic. While being labor intensive, ferrocement
also allows small groups and individuals to construct structures that would
otherwise require high cost, specialized equipment, or raw materials not
locally available/easily transportable. It is a boon to small communities.

Ferrocement also allows for incredible possibility of design. It is a
sculptors dream. Curved, domed, arched, vaulted, wavy, far-out spaces can be
built which not only please the eye, they also stimulate the imagination and
spirit. Such buildings provide an energetic quality which feels different
than the rectangular boxes we are used to.

We see the potential for ferrocement to meet many human needs while
maintaining an aesthetic quality. The material speaks to sustainability, it
speaks to locality, it speaks to poorer communities.

Ferrocement model code has been developed internationally - see our copy of
the IFS 2001 Ferrocement Model
Code<http://www.terrasante.org/media/ferrocementcode2001ifs.pdf>(8.2mb
pdf). Another good resource on technical properties and testing is
Naaman's book Ferrocement & Laminated Cementious
Composites<http://www.springerlink.com/content/m056n710802p173t/>
.

 [image: [magicbus.jpg]]
Magic Bus toilet <http://www.terrasante.org/media/magicbus.jpg> 2009
A practice project for interns to learn ferrocement technique.  It features
a right-angle mirror for contemplation of one's true nature.
 [image: [hsl0901.jpg]]
Harmonic Sauna <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/hsauna.html> 2009-
Project for Harmony and Health Foundation at TerraSante Community.  While
earthbag walls lie buried within, the space is designed as a resonant box
for purposes of focusing the healing power of sound.

Other Building Projects
[image: [tipibruceb.jpg]]
Tipi's <http://www.terrasante.org/media/tipibruceb.jpg> 2009
Tipi's constructed of thinned pines, and recycled billboard vinyl.  They
will provide wind and rain shelter when we are so blessed.

*Cob buildings*
We are open to hosting cob building projects in the future.  Sequestering
carbon from air into earth serves our mission.
 [image: [boneyard.jpg]]
The "Boneyard" workshops <http://www.terrasante.org/media/boneyard.jpg>2008-
The first 2 of 4 work bays completed of mostly reused salvage materials.

 [image: [polebarn.jpg]]
Pole buildings <http://www.terrasante.org/media/polebarn.jpg> 2007
This pole barn was completed by salvaged thinning from the Flagstaff area.
It houses Arizona Native Seed Resource <http://www.arizonanativeseed.com/>.

[image: [bioharmonic.jpg]]

Partnership With Earth <http://partnershipwithearth.org/> has a seasonal
research base here.  Areas of development include sacred architecture form,
ease of construction, portability, and bioharmonic materials / compatability
testing.  Ultimately we hope to develop structures that are super-affordable
and boost the well-being of those using them.

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:21:22 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>
Subject: Fwd: draft for harmonic sauna update to webpage update

Hi Chris please update websites as per below,
Thanks
Bruce

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Subject: draft for harmonic sauna update to webpage update
To: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>

Hi Tom,
I removed the reference to holding 20 people, otherwise I think it's still
good.
Should probably update it also on H&H website.
Let me know if anything seems too commercial or public.
Thanks,
Bruce

This space is to our knowledge unique in concept and design, although people
have gathered in caves for sacred ritual since the earliest times. Our
intention is to provide a space for the exploration of healing sound, light
and heat.
 [image: cv5146a.jpg] <http://www.terrasante.org/media/cv5146a.jpg>

The harmonic sauna is the body of a large instrument, in the shape of a
tortoise shell about 12x14 feet (3x4 m), to be played from the inside.
Imagine being inside a cello or a bass. Or as how it sounds when singing in
your shower. The space is nominally a sculpted sound box when not heated. We
will experiment with the healing power of sound and vibration, through the
use of the human voice, acoustic instrument, drum, digeridoo, etc. There
will also be provision to pipe in any color light from above, using a jug of
water colored with food coloring. Imagine doing a rainbow sweat with each
round a different color. We will investigate healing light for example,
orange/red which penetrates deep and may directly feed cellular energy
cycles. The space is designed with specific curvature to reflect and
concentrate sound energy, with alcoves of varying size and shape, also
focused on a central axis. A focal line will exist along the area where a
person could lie on a table, or a specially tuned harp might be wheeled in.
We think it should be possible to play the harp with our voices, thus
leading/training harmony. Imagine the sound of Gregorians in a large
cathedral. Perhaps this space is like a small side chapel in a larger
cathedral, the cathedral of the earth.
 [image: [hsauna1c.gif]]
<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/hsauna2.html> [image:
[hsl0904.jpg]] <http://www.terrasante.org/media/hsl0904t.jpg>

There is a stairwell at St. Mary's hospital with a similar curvature. A wide
range of sound frequencies in the voice range are reflected there. A small
energy input (one voice) resonates dramatically loud up 8 stories of stairs,
and is quite a remarkable experience. Focal points and nodes exist as one
climbs/descends. The sauna has alcoves designed to resonate/focalize as
well. With smaller persons playing the smaller spaces, and larger persons
(deeper voices) playing larger alcoves. Again like the experience one has
singing in a shower stall, but with a better frequency response. Built into
the structure is an earthen wall with resonance of 1-2 Hz. Sixty heartbeats
per minute is 1 cycle per second. (1 Hz) It is in this frequency range that
our nervous system falls when the most healing states of sleep occur. We
plan to experiment with interference of frequencies to create virtual beats
(via digeridoos?) in the range of 1-2 Hz, although these beats can also be
made with drums. Foot drums are a component of sacred spaces from ancient
times, including the great Kivas to be found in northern New Mexico.
 [image: [hsauna4g.gif]]
<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/hsauna2.html> [image:
[ea4270a.jpg]] <http://www.terrasante.org/media/ea4270a.jpg>

The construction method is ferrocement. Ferrocement is layers of steel mesh
(chicken wire) plastered with sand and cement. It is incredibily strong and
can flex. It has been used for over 50 years to build everything from water
tanks and boat hulls to domes and cathedrals. It can take any shape. In the
harmonic sauna, a ferrocement bell like the bell of a stethoscope faces the
earth. The overall shape is like that of a tortoise shell, or maybe a
uterus. Ferrocement is known to make phenomenally cool speaker cabinets, but
no one builds such speakers, because they're way too heavy to lug around.

Interior will be a heater which can operate as a woodstove initially, but
ultimately with a sliding carriage of rock to outside, for rock that heats
red hot in a solar furnace. There will be a double row of wood benches in
two tiers like a sauna on either side of the oval shaped space. The wood of
these benches can be tuned like a marimba, and there will be provision for
mounting wooden back rests in the alcoves, these being also marimbas. A
small chamber/portal will exist in the earth directly below the solar light
entry. This is similar to sipapus from hopi tradition that link the earth
below to the sky above. Finish interior plaster will be white for true light
reflection purposes, and for purposes of keeping the interior an unpainted
"canvas" to allow for expressive/creative latitude. Finish plaster aggregate
composition can be composed with specific minerals/crystals and energetics
in mind.

The outside of the structure will have six decorated panels in paint and
mosaic. Bells will hang from the shelf below each panel. Four drum seats
with mosaic tiling are along the outer bell/shell, and tortoise legs with
claw feet decorate the perimeter.

The shape suggests that of a tortoise. Tortoise/Turtle has emerged as a
theme. A review from mythology and world traditions reveals that cultures
ascribe mostly positive values to tortoise. Attributes associated with
tortoise include wisdom, nurturing, perseverance, healthfulness, creation,
yin, etc. We intend to associate these qualities to create mythic narratives
in the form of painting and mosaic which will decorate the exterior. We are
in the west familiar with the story of hare and tortoise, where the
persevering tortoise wins the race. In the narratives we intend to create,
tortoise leads the slow and steady way to a healthful and sustainable future
for all her children. Are we creating tortoise clan?

Bruce Scher
December 2009

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:23:44 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: Fwd: update draft for website wishlist 1Mar2011

Hi Chris,
Changes for wishlist.
Thanks,
Bruce

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Date: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM
Subject: update draft for website wishlist 1Mar2011
To: hello at terrasante.org

I changed the intro part, some details relating to volunteers and community.
Note that the I labeled one section People, another Stuff. It would be nice
to have to columns, the one on left people, the one on right stuff.

TerraSante Village Wish List

Ongoing work <http://www.terrasante.org/projects/projects.html> at
TerraSante Village is supported by donations and participation in many
forms.  We have both supporting and resident members. We seek collaborations
and partnerships with like-minded people and organizations.

If you'd like to contribute your talents, or make a donation of any of the
following items, please contact
us<http://www.terrasante.org/community/contact.html>or email <hello
at terrasante dot org <http://www.terrasante.org/community/contact.html>>
- Thank you!

*Needed People*

*TSV Garden Manager Needed*

TerraSante Village needs an experienced gardener manager to

manage our year-round intensive community organic garden of about 1/4+ acres
and growing.

The purpose of the TSV gardens is to demonstrate a high level of efficiency,
experiment with permaculture, and explore optimal methods of food
production.

This person will love plants, and love sharing that with others.

This person will be friendly, communicative, capable, energetic. This person
can be a mentor.

*Responsibilities include*:

Coordination with the kitchen, native plant, and helping persons.

Planning for planting and harvesting needs, calender keeping.

Saves seed, organizes seed.

Sees that irrigation is maintained.

Operates/coordinates compost bins, soilbuilding, etc.

Keeps track of garden tools.

Promotes safety in the garden.

Identifies garden needs, suggests improvements.

*Amenities include:*

This position could begin as a work trade (24 hr/wk) with at least some
months of commitment, and evolve to a full membership in TSV.

Room and basic foods are provided by the community.

Opportunities for dialogue, learning and teaching related to sustainability,
and the resources of TSV and Terrasante Community.

 *Workshop "Boneyard" Manager*

TSV needs a person to manage our workshop area which encompasses about 1/2
acre of ramadas, storage sheds, and various hardware and projects.

The purpose of the TSV workshops is to provide the space and tools to create
sustainable infrastructure *as locally* as possible.

This person loves to tinker.  They like working with things mechanical and
electric.

They are good with tools, clever at solving problems, resourceful with the
items at hand.

This person will be friendly, communicative, capable, energetic. This person
can be a mentor.

*Responsibilities include*:

Coordination with the TSV members, TS Community and others about use of
tools, vehicles, etc.

Promotes safety with tools and vehicles, projects, and spaces.

Ensures that the workshop area stays clean, organized, clear of obstacles.

Keeps a focus on key TSV/TSC projects. (solar/wind well backup, electric
vehicle, etc.)

Helps plan and organize projects and helpers.

Identifies boneyard needs, suggests improvements.

*Amenities include:*

This position could begin as a work trade (24 hr/wk) with at least some
months of commitment, and evolve to a full membership in TSV.

Shelter and basic foods are provided by the community.

Opportunities for dialogue, learning and teaching related to sustainability,
and the resources of TSV and Terrasante Community.

 *Needed Stuff:*

 Solar panels & collectors

  - Photovoltaic solar panels, any size or condition
  - Parabolic satellite dishes
  - Mirrors, glass, mylar film, sheet aluminum
  - Copper pipes & tubing
  - Old solar lawn lights, any condition
Building materials

  - Rebar, EMT conduit, fencing & chicken wire
  - Greenhouse plastic, canvas, cotton, hemp, polyester
Tools for the workshop

  - Hand tools, power tools, machine tools
  - Welding equipment (arc & oxy-acetylene)
  - Numerically-controlled machine tools
Computer equipment

  - Small computer projector & screen for community library
  - Old digital camera (2 megapixel) for website photos
  - Old laptop computers, any age or condition
  for off-grid use, solar trackers, motor controllers, etc, etc
  (if possible with original power supply, batteries, cables, disks)
  - Old wifi access points & antennas, ethernet cables & routers
  - LCD flatscreen monitors, keyboards, mice

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:25:52 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>
Subject: Fwd: draft of community page on website 1Mar11

Hi Chris,
Another new replacemnet page for the website.
Thanks,
Bruce

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Date: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:02 PM
Subject: draft of community page on website 1Mar11
To: hello at terrasante.org, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, David
Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Amy Mortier
<amymortier at gmail>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>

*Terra Sante* means sacred earth, and this name reflects the values that we
hold dear.  The earth we live on is sacred to us, and what we are creating
here reflects this belief.

*Terrasante Community* is 160 acres comprised of TerraSante Village, Harmony
& Health, Kokopeli Gardens, Interstellar Light Applications and other
residents.  We share in common an interest in sustainable living, working
together for community, and creative collaborative ventures to discover and
explore the possibilities of the sustainable future.  Terrasante Community
is a diverse collection of individuals and groups with knowledge and skills
working on community and individually related projects.  Terrasante
Community census typically goes up in winter, down in summer.  Terrasante
Community has land/space available, and we seek like minded partners of
substance and vision.

*TerraSante Village* is located on 8.4 acres of Terrasante Community.
TerraSante Village is an Arizona nonprofit, (501c3 pending), with specific
intention to manifest sustainability. See our mission
statement<http://www.terrasante.org/community/mission.html>and
neighborhood
agreements <http://www.terrasante.org/community/agreement.html>.  TerraSante
Village was founded 2008 as a resource for this community and others to whom
we connect.

<http://www.terrasante.org/community/mission.html>
<http://www.terrasante.org/community/sanctuary.html>
<http://www.terrasante.org/projects/projects.html>

 *Terrasante* sits about 2450ft (747m) above sea level on a gently sloping
valley mesquite plain below the remnants of the once mighty Sierrita
mountains, now only 6000 ft, in the sunny, magical Sonoran desert 20 miles
southwest of Tucson Arizona.  Our reddish soil is rich in clay, and sand is
plentiful. Our existing vegetation is predominantly mesquite with occasional
catci and grasses, changed by cattle 150 years ago from the then predominant
grasslands. 10,000 years ago the vegetation was pinyon pine and juniper. How
we adapt to changes speaks to our sustainability.

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:34:32 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Subject: draft of changes to mission statement on website

I think I changed language somewhat.
Not sure that everyone saw as I copied people on hello at terrasante.org, and
that does not seem to be forwarding.
Please comment,
I can have Chris mount when OK.
Bruce

Mission Statement

The mission of TerraSante Village is to discover, develop, and disseminate
sustainable ways of designing and living in human villages, which minimize
CO2 generation, beginning with locally appropriate solutions. We wish to
facilitate sustainable practice by example.

This mission views TerraSante Village as a laboratory and community resource
for projects in shelter, permaculture, solar and wind energy, electric
vehicle conversion, water conservation, communication development, personal
and social software for healthy community, etc.

The mission includes sharing knowledge, skills, tools, and service.  We seek
collaborators who are knowledgeable, skilled, and of similar vision. We
intend to develop opportunities and manifest positive outcomes for the
highest and best good for our living mother - planet earth - and her
children.  Also see Call to
Action...<http://www.terrasante.org/community/action.html>

TerraSante is a word with Latin roots - it means sacred earth - please
behave accordingly.

<http://www.terrasante.org/community/photos.html>
 A Poem about TerraSante

 A place in the sun, a place under stars.

A place for earth as architecture, architecture as sculpture.

A place to muse or just to be, a place for song and poetry.

A place to drum and dance around a fire.

A place where nature might inspire.

A place for permaculture, gardening, growing.

A place for experiments in eco-tech tinkering.

A place to manifest possibilities.

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:47:42 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Terrasante First Contact <hello at terrasante>
Subject: fw: Terrasante community e-mails - remove request

i'll post this on the community intercom too.

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:33:17 -0700
From: Amy Mortier <amymortier at gmail>
To: vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: please remove me from Terrasante community e-mails

Dear Chris,
  I guess you would be the one to remove my e-mail address from community e-mails. I'll let Bruce know too.

Thanks,
Amy

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:22:52 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, diana <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

dear bruce, rick, victoria, and diana,

i'd like to meet with you, the Terrasante Village Board of Directors, soon and at your convenience, to discuss my business with the Terrasante Village organization.

for this purpose, david has offered the use of his house this saturday, sunday, or monday evening (march 26, 27, or 28) so that we may use his video projector for a computer display.  on whichever of these dates is best for everyone, i'd like to begin around sunset (about 6:15 pm) at my campsite garden (which is an item in this discussion), and then walk over to david's when it's dark enough to see the big screen.

just for this meeting, i'd appreciate us not bringing or inviting anyone else.  please feel free to bring snacks and beverages to share and/or make yourself happy.  (i won't object if people want a beer or two, or some structured water, so long as we can stay focused on the work of this meeting and keep it reasonably short :)

please email reply-all with the best date for you, and a second choice.  if we can't meet on one of these dates, we can try again for later next week.

thanks for your consideration,
chris

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Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:34:46 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: terrasante.org website report & work log

dear bruce, rick, victoria, & everyone,

in anticipation of the terrasante village annual board meeting, i've put together this
report on the terrasante.org website, along with some serious questions about the
intentions and future of terrasante village.

  http://metasofa.org/vansprouts/tsweb1103.html

thanks for your time to read it, and hope you'll find it useful.

chris

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:18:34 -0700
From: Amy Belanger <amyjbelanger at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry <hertz33 at earthlink.net>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, amy m <amymortier at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, joshua <jjwaffles at juno>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, website at terrasante.org
Subject: Re: terrasante.org website report & work log

Chris, all,

I'm no longer a Terra Santean, but I care about your future, and thought I'd weigh in (feel free to ignore or glean anything you find worthy of remembering). I read every word of Chris's critique and found it informative, useful, and appropriately forthright about the structural/ownership contradictions at Terra Sante. I don't mind ascerbic humor in criticisms of how we implement our visions of a sustainable community. They help illuminate the real impact of the problem on people's lives, hope, and ideals.

While I completely support a serious initiative to either live up to the vision or get honest about its status, I also think it bears acknowledgement that innovative, world changing projects always fall short of the ideal and the original vision and timelines, and that doesn't mean their creators lack commitment, integrity, or good intent. Given how much Bruce, Tom, Solar Bob, Rick, and others have sacrificed to try to manifest something good, here, I believe any criticism needs to honor up front and effusively the good that has already been achieved and that remains as a yet-unmanifested vision. It took much more than work, money, and ideas to get Terra Sante this far. It takes a great depth of courage, leadership, risk, heart, and the daily psychological strength to keep pushing forward in spite of setbacks, criticisms, and slowed progress. Try to put a dollar figure on that.

When projects like Terra Sante fall short of the ideal, it is often because people get involved and then don't do what they say they will do. I have to own up to my role in the tenacious problem of the nonprofit status. I promised to help further with this project and dropped the ball repeatedly. I'm truly sorry. I'd like to re-commit, but I don't want to let you all down yet again, so I'm restraining myself. The problem with my help is (as is the case with a lot of well-meaning past and present Terra Santeans), I'm so pressed to the wall making ends meet in my own life that squeezing out the time to help has proven impossible every time. I've heard the same from other folks who made commitments they couldn't keep at Terra Sante.

However, I've also heard people say they would work harder to follow through if they were serving a nonprofit or intentional community, rather than a private holding (a point Chris also made). There are some tough Catch-22's involved.

On the ownership issue, Bruce, Tom, and others have invested a lot of money they'll never get back; labor that would rack up in the hundreds of thousands if placed on a spreadsheet like Chris's (and vastly overshadow his); and years of their lives that they could have spent in selfish pursuits instead of world-changing pursuits. When Bruce and Tom turn over ownership, how will they ever hope to recoup their investment of money and labor the way Chris hopes to do? And that situation has an entirely different impact on a 50-60 year old -- whose has a lot less time, energy, and momentum to shore up financial security for so-called retirement -- than it does a 20-something or 30-something.

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it. I clearly support the nonprofit or IC approach, since I helped create the bylaws and other documents to move in that direction.

But when it happens, there needs to be a mechanism to compensate Bruce and Tom, Solar Bob, Rick (and possibly other long-timers) for financial and labor investments that go above and beyond what volunteers have or will ever donate to Terra Sante. A fair and honorable path forward would honor the time and financial investments of Terra Sante's creators/founders/forbears while also properly structuring the land's activities so that volunteer time and donations are accruing to the public good instead of private interests.That could look like:

- A grant that purchases the land and buildings from Tom/Bruce for placement in a nonprofit land trust and pays back wages for some percentage of the founders/longtimers time invested far above and beyond a reasonable volunteer level.
- An IC structure in which labor credits are applied toward rent/lease fees (and longtimers are awarded a high number of such credits for their investment of labor in the founding and building of the village to its current state).
- a property division in which Bruce is given his house and land in trade for his years of labor, and the rest of the land is converted to a nonprofit land trust/educational facility or an IC with shared ownership, a co-op structure, or time-limited land leases.
- there are other viable mechanisms that are fair, legal, and ethical.

These are my thoughts. I hope they're more helpful than pot-stirring, but I do seem to bring a big spoon to these sorts of potlucks.

Good luck with the meeting and the discussion, and if I can find any time to contribute, I will let you know. Would be interested in knowing the status of the nonprofit application (not that I deserve it!).

Amy

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:34 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:

> dear bruce, rick, victoria, & everyone,
>
> in anticipation of the terrasante village annual board meeting, i've put
> together this report on the terrasante.org website, along with some
> serious questions about the intentions and future of terrasante village.
>
http://metasofa.org/vansprouts/tsweb1103.html
>
> thanks for your time to read it, and hope you'll find it useful.
>
> chris

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:23:26 -0700
From: Amy Belanger <amyjbelanger at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry <hertz33 at earthlink.net>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, amy m <amymortier at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, joshua <jjwaffles at juno>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, website at terrasante.org
Subject: Re: terrasante.org website report & work log

P.S. Regarding the third bullet, I meant to say "Bruce and others..." since Solar Bob's hard labor has earned him similar recompense, in my opinion (but I don't know enough about Rick's and others roles and rents and such to comment).

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:02:03 -0700
From: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
To: 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>, 'bruce' <scher at terrasante>, 'rick' <rick at terrasante>, 'diana' <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: 'david' <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: RE: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

I'm going up to Phoenix tomorrow and may be there until Sunday night, so my
preference would be Monday evening.  Thanks, Victoria

-----Original Message-----
From: chris vansprouts [mailto:vansprouts at mac] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:23 PM
To: bruce; rick; victoria; diana
Cc: david
Subject: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

[ see above ]

Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 05:46:34 +0000
From: Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
To: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: Re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

Hi Bruce, Victoria, Chris,

Diana and I are ok with Monday evening.

thanks,

Rick

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn> wrote:
> [ see above ]

Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:35:14 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: Re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

Monday is my possible day, I work 26,27.
Thanks,
Bruce

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:22 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
> [ see above ]

Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:42:32 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, diana <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

monday it is...  local sunset is about 6:30pm (not 6:15, sorry), see you at my campsite around then, and over to david's about 7pm...  thanks, chris

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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:02:03 -0700
From: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
To: 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>, 'bruce' <scher at terrasante>, 'rick' <rick at terrasante>, 'diana' <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: 'david' <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: RE: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

I'm going up to Phoenix tomorrow and may be there until Sunday night, so my
preference would be Monday evening.  Thanks, Victoria

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 05:46:34 +0000
From: Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
To: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: Re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

Hi Bruce, Victoria, Chris,

Diana and I are ok with Monday evening.

thanks,

Rick

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:35:14 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: Re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

Monday is my possible day, I work 26,27.
Thanks,
Bruce

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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:22:52 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, diana <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

[ see above ]

Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:43:07 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: amy b <amyjbelanger at gmail>, bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, tim <twhite at empactconsulting>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry <hertz33 at earthlink.net>, david <davidkepf at gmail>, jetana <jetana01 at yahoo>, tom <tmendola at gmail>, brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, joshua <jjwaffles at juno>, deborah <deborah at deborahmayaan>, brahm <wfoster8560 at yahoo>, liisa <liisa.1.reid at gmail>
Subject: re: terrasante.org website report & work log

hi amy & everyone,

much thanks amy belanger for your time, and your welcome & tasty contribution to this potluck stew!  i'm truly sorry about my lack of effusivity at the moment, and thankful for yours, along with your practical professional advice.

(maybe only a few alone in the desert aren't enough, and it takes a global community to raise a local community :)

during the week i've noticed one particular mis-understanding about myself and my website report by some readers, so i'd like to offer this clarification...

i'm absolutely not here in this world for money.  if i were, bill gates would have some serious competition.  (private ownership of land and usury above 0.0% are also 'against my religion' :)

from the start, i assumed all my work for terrasante village would be a donation.

all i'm asking from terrasante village is
  what was promised to the world - in the sustainable mission statement,
  what was offered for every visitor - reasonable & sustainable accommodations, and
  what was offered to every contributor - a sustainable collaborative relationship.

i'm one of those 50-60 year-olds, and for almost 20 years my ideals for intentional community have been posted on the internet (please see http://comfy.metasofa.org/community.html)

here are two of them,
  each person's time is equally valuable.
  every contributor to the community is considered a lifetime member, each with a permanent account remembering forever, in detail, all contributions of any form or size.

terrasante village needs to learn how to remember, and value, and make good use of requested contributions, and with respect and appreciation.  what i've witnessed and personally experienced while living here for the past 2+ years is the opposite, and i'd love to see that change anytime soon... (meanwhile, we'll need to forgive those who've got more important things to do elsewhere :)

thanks for everyone's attention on this thickly bubbling stuff, and all contributions to the stew pot... (glurp)

chris

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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:18:34 -0700
From: Amy Belanger <amyjbelanger at gmail>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org website report & work log

[ see above ]

Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:56:19 -0700
From: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
To: 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: RE: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

Thanks, see you then.  V

-----Original Message-----
From: chris vansprouts [mailto:vansprouts at mac] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:43 PM
To: bruce; rick; victoria; diana
Cc: david
Subject: re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

monday it is...  local sunset is about 6:30pm (not 6:15, sorry), see you at
my campsite around then, and over to david's about 7pm...  thanks, chris

[ see above ]

Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:17:56 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: Chris <vansprouts at mac>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>, David Kohlberg <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: clarity

hey chris
please know that i am opposed to anyone ridiculing the process of terra
sante....or claiming personal debt owed for time spent, after the fact....

you have represented yourself as idealistic and ready to be a helpful part
of the process....
and i for one appreciated your coming on board....

i am not opposed to you personally....only this personal "rant".....
i find no pleasure in opposing you or your method....

looking for the light
tom

ps...please update harmony and health contact info...

Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:37:07 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: rick <rick at arizonanativeseed>, rick <rick at terrasante>, rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>
Subject: arizonanativeseed.com & terrasante.org

dear rick,

i'm sorry you missed the tsv board meeting on monday night, and the tuesday afternoon community meeting as well.

i've wanted to talk with you about possible options for your website and email at arizonanativeseed.com, in case you'd like them to continue functioning after we've totally switched over to the new service.

also, since you seem to be the prime motivator to find a new webmaster and make a new website for terrasante village, i'd appreciate it if you would welcome my participation in this discussion, and treat me like a fellow human being instead of some kind of rodent.

i'm trying to be friendly and grown-up and responsible and professional about all of this.  how about you?

i'm available to talk with you anytime this friday afternoon or monday afternoon, and/or we could try calling a real web/pr committee meeting for tuesday afternoon or evening.

thanks, chris

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:42:32 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, diana <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

monday it is...  local sunset is about 6:30pm (not 6:15, sorry), see you at my campsite around then, and over to david's about 7pm...  thanks, chris

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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:02:03 -0700
From: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
To: 'chris vansprouts' <vansprouts at mac>, 'bruce' <scher at terrasante>, 'rick' <rick at terrasante>, 'diana' <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: 'david' <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: RE: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

I'm going up to Phoenix tomorrow and may be there until Sunday night, so my
preference would be Monday evening.  Thanks, Victoria

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 05:46:34 +0000
From: Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
To: Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>
Cc: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>, bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: Re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

Hi Bruce, Victoria, Chris,

Diana and I are ok with Monday evening.

thanks,

Rick

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:35:14 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, diana <facturelli at gmail>, david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: Re: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

Monday is my possible day, I work 26,27.
Thanks,
Bruce

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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:22:52 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>, rick <rick at terrasante>, victoria <victoriawhite9 at msn>, diana <facturelli at gmail>
Cc: david <davidkepf at gmail>
Subject: request for a meeting with TSV Board of Directors

[ see above ]

Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:09:01 -0700
From: Rick Hubbs <rick at arizonanativeseed>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: arizonanativeseed.com & terrasante.org

Hey Chris, I've got a new website so maybe we can de-commission the old one.
I'm not involving my self with the contruction of the TSV website. I'll
leave that to you and others who are plenty capable. I am not the "prime
motivator" of this and I am confounded about how I have treated you
inhumanely. Me thinks thoughts travel truncated, anyway as long as you're
accessible and available to the community and that appears to be happening I
have no problem. carry on, rick

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:37 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
> [ see above ]

Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 09:38:37 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Terrasante Community Tech Support <it at terrasante>
Subject: access codes for terrasante.org & harmonyandhealth.org

access for terrasante:

  public website -- http://terrasante.org/ -or- http://www.terrasante.org/

  new (alpha) public website -- http://ts.harmonyandhealth.org/

  new (alpha) private website -- http://ts.harmonyandhealth.org/private/
  username: terra2
  password: [------]

to edit the website, set your web-editor to use ftp or sftp (secure ftp),

  ftp upload -- ftp://ftp.harmonyandhealth.org -or- sftp://ftp.harmonyandhealth.org
  username: u60728298-ts
  password: [------]
  directory: /

access for terrasante beta:

  new (alpha) beta website -- http://ts.harmonyandhealth.org/beta/

  ftp upload -- ftp://ftp.harmonyandhealth.org -or- sftp://ftp.harmonyandhealth.org
  username: u60728298-tsbeta
  password: [------]
  directory: /

access for harmonyandhealth:

  public website -- http://harmonyandhealth.org/ -or- http://www.harmonyandhealth.org/

  ftp upload -- ftp://ftp.harmonyandhealth.org -or- sftp://ftp.harmonyandhealth.org
  username: u60728298-hh
  password: [------]
  directory: /

Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:48:53 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry hertz <hertz33 at q>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: continued habitation on my property

Dear Chris,

I have drafted a proposal for your continued habitation on my property.

I feel it is important to be clear henceforth, as there seems to be some
question for you regarding the terms of your habitation here these past 2
years.

I am sorry for any misunderstanding in that regard. Perhaps we should
update/revise the TerraSante Village Agreement. I will entertain your
suggestions.

Thank you for your past and continuing support to the mission of TerraSante
Village, and development work on the website.

I wish to be clear that your work in this regard is well done, and your
technical and analytical skills demonstrate a high level of competence.

I am happy to write you a letter of recommendation in that regard.

What is in question for me is my willingness to continue my collaboration if
i feel my intentions or meanings are misconstrued.

This speaks to the 'communication' part of community.

Please consider the contract below, which I hope will more clearly define
boundaries.

Thanks,

Bruce

This agreement is between Bruce Scher and Chris Van Sprouts.  Either party
may terminate this agreement at any time with 30 days of notice. If there is
no mutually agreed rental contract then Chris agrees to removal of himself
and his belongings within said 30 day notice.

Bruce agrees that Chris may live on his property at 13541 W. Sacred Earth
Pl. on a month to month basis.

Rent shall be $150 monthly. and includes water and toilet. Chris will supply
his own solar power.

Bruce agrees that monthly rent may be traded as work hours on any projects
agreeable to Chris, Bruce, and/or Tom Mendola. This could include the
building and assemblage of geodesic dome frames for greenhouse use.

We agree that Chris's labor shall be at a rate of $10/hour, equivalent to 15
hours per month, or 3-4 hours per week. Chris agrees to keep track of his
time weekly. Any purchases made by Chris will be agreed on ahead of time,
and we are agreed to provide materials for the given project(s).

Materials belonging to Chris V. stored at TerraSante Village (TSV) may
continue to store there as long as legally permissible and agreeable to all
parties. A rental rate of $50 monthly shall apply. Bruce agrees to trade
this monthly rental (per the TSV board) for 5 hrs. monthly, which could be
maintenance time to the community wireless network hosted by TSV.

During this first month commencing (April) Chris agrees that he shall
relinquish all access codes and pertinent information related to the
management of the websites terrasante.org, and harmonyandhealth.org. He
agrees to his resignation as webmaster for the terrasante.org website, and
further agrees to assist in the transfer of webmaster responsibilities to
the  TSV designated person.

___________________________________  _______________
*Bruce Scher   Date*

___________________________________  _______________
*Chris Van Sprouts   Date*

___________________________________  _______________
*Tom Mendola   Date*

___________________________________  _______________
*Witness   Date*

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:33:28 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Cc: David Kohlberg <davidkepf at gmail>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry hertz <hertz33 at earthlink.net>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: continued habitation on my property

thanks bruce for your proposal, i really appreciate it.  i'm working on a response, and will get back to you within a few days.  chris

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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:48:53 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry hertz <hertz33 at q>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: continued habitation on my property

Dear Chris,

I have drafted a proposal for your continued habitation on my property.

I feel it is important to be clear henceforth, as there seems to be some question for you regarding the terms of your habitation here these past 2 years.

I am sorry for any misunderstanding in that regard. Perhaps we should update/revise the TerraSante Village Agreement. I will entertain your suggestions.

Thank you for your past and continuing support to the mission of TerraSante Village, and development work on the website.

I wish to be clear that your work in this regard is well done, and your technical and analytical skills demonstrate a high level of competence.

I am happy to write you a letter of recommendation in that regard.

What is in question for me is my willingness to continue my collaboration if i feel my intentions or meanings are misconstrued.

This speaks to the 'communication' part of community.

Please consider the contract below, which I hope will more clearly define boundaries.

Thanks,

Bruce

This agreement is between Bruce Scher and Chris Van Sprouts.  Either party may terminate this agreement at any time with 30 days of notice. If there is no mutually agreed rental contract then Chris agrees to removal of himself and his belongings within said 30 day notice.

Bruce agrees that Chris may live on his property at 13541 W. Sacred Earth Pl. on a month to month basis.

Rent shall be $150 monthly. and includes water and toilet. Chris will supply his own solar power.

Bruce agrees that monthly rent may be traded as work hours on any projects agreeable to Chris, Bruce, and/or Tom Mendola. This could include the building and assemblage of geodesic dome frames for greenhouse use.

We agree that Chris’s labor shall be at a rate of $10/hour, equivalent to 15 hours per month, or 3-4 hours per week. Chris agrees to keep track of his time weekly. Any purchases made by Chris will be agreed on ahead of time, and we are agreed to provide materials for the given project(s).

Materials belonging to Chris V. stored at TerraSante Village (TSV) may continue to store there as long as legally permissible and agreeable to all parties. A rental rate of $50 monthly shall apply. Bruce agrees to trade this monthly rental (per the TSV board) for 5 hrs. monthly, which could be maintenance time to the community wireless network hosted by TSV.

During this first month commencing (April) Chris agrees that he shall relinquish all access codes and pertinent information related to the management of the websites terrasante.org, and harmonyandhealth.org. He agrees to his resignation as webmaster for the terrasante.org website, and further agrees to assist in the transfer of webmaster responsibilities to the  TSV designated person.

___________________________________   _______________
Bruce Scher   Date
___________________________________   _______________
Chris Van Sprouts   Date
___________________________________   _______________
Tom Mendola   Date
___________________________________   _______________
Witness   Date

Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:00:53 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>
Subject: some changes to my proposal

Hi Chris,
I didn't find you yesterday, but Brian said he talked with you. Hope you are
doing OK.
I will need to hear soon from you about my offer, today would be good.
I will going into town after lunch with David.

The TSV council decided to do the network ourselves, but I will trade you
the 5 hours monthly, and pay the $50 as a donation to the TSV acct. for
storage of your stuff here.
We disconnected your computer box from the network. It is here if you could
pick it up.
I have moved a steel shield between my bed and the wifi below.
We plan to move the outside transmitter to the other side of the building so
I will not be blasted in bed.
We need 50 feet of CAT6 with plugs on either end to make this connection. Do
you know of one, or where to get cheap?
Danny should have good reception at that point, but I'm imagining it may
suffer your direction.
The 2 or 3 repeaters from before are kicking around?. We could do some trade
time on getting signal to that area.

The TSV council also decided we want *all* the keys to the website,
including the missing "switch".
I am a bit disappointed and perturbed that after all the concerns about Tim
Castleman's hosting us that we are *still* on his server!
TSV will continue to host your stored items should your cooperation be
forthcoming.
Otherwise you may consider this your 30 days of notice to remove your stored
items from TSV, and yourself from my property.
I look forward to hearing from you, and the possibility of our continued
collaboration.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:15:12 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: bruce <scher at terrasante>
Subject: missed you

bruce,

thought you were coming over to my campsite this morning to talk?  hope all is well. i'll be around during the next few days, feel free to drop in anytime.

also i wanted to explain and reassure you again that the new wifi box is at a safe distance from your bedroom, and your planned move won't make it any safer.  (for comparison, the microwave radiation from your cellphone is orders of magnitude stronger even while it's idling - ie, 'turned off')

chris

Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:36:24 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: missed you

I'm around today.
Will catch up with you.
Thanks,
Bruce

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
> [ see above ]

Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:17:41 -0600
From: WWOOF-USA <info at wwoofusa>
To: hello at terrasante.org
Subject: WWOOF-USA: Confirming Your Host Farm Renewal

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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:37:04 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry hertz <hertz33 at q>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Tim White <twhite at empactconsulting>
Subject: Thank You

Hi Chris,
I did want to thank you for talking with me yesterday, and let people know
you are looking for a place to live.
I understand you will be taking up to 3 months to make your transition.
Per the TSV council your stuff is OK to store here at TSV during that time
frame, but must go as well by then.
I wish to thank you for your contribution to the website and network, etc.
and for all the interesting ideas and information which you have brought
here to our community.
I am sorry that your time here has been disappointing for you, and I wish
you a great adventure at your next home!
PS- What about Kinney I's? Gorgeous up there! Off grid. Do you know Woodsby?
Kinney's # is 520-555-1983.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 22:17:53 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: unplugged the bus for inspection

Hi Chris,
I unplugged the line to the storage bus for inspection. We are done now.
Ok to leave plugged in.
What does that operate?
How is your search for new accommodation going?
Have you talked with Donna at the Kestral Kafe? She knows a lot of folks
local.
I think Markus and Martha are living up off of Sierrita Mtn. Rd., they
probably know some folks.
Also, talk with Bob who works at Ace in 3 points. He owns property up that
way, has built of ferrocement.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:11:22 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>
Subject: THe TSV antenna

Hi Chris,
I think we wish to use the antenna donated to TSV by Gillian in the boneyard
over here to extend the range of our network east to Himdag.
You are using it for some purpose in the boneyard?
We will plan to leave the transmitter on the west side of this building
(with sheilding vs. my direction), so that Tom and others may have access at
the west mobile.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 05:39:20 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: people needing help/possible accomodation

Hi Chris,
These folks called me the other day, they sound very nice.
They have 30 acres up in the Sierritas, off grid, growing plants, animals,
they need help with sustainable stuff, could no doubt accommodate you.
Cynthia and Rick- 405-0052.
Where are you with all of that?
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:42:27 -0700
From: Jeffrey Davis <jeff at greenbicycle.net>
To: vansprouts at mac
Subject: terrasante.org

Hello Chris,

My name is Jeff Davis and I have been talking to Bruce Scher about helping out with the terrasante.org website. He gave me some passwords but I don't think that I have everything that I need. I have a login for ts.harmonyandhealth.org, but I don't know if it is FTP or what. I have an ftp username/password for ftp.harmonyandhealth.org (username u60728298-ts). I believe that the harmonyandhealth.org domain is pointing to the new server and I would like to have access to the current server that terrasante.org is on.

I think terrasante.org is using joomla - is it possible to give me a username and password for joomla?

Is it possible to get ssh/sftp access to the current site?

It might be good to have control panel access to the new server too, if that is available.

I will try to work with whatever you can send me.

You can check with Bruce to make sure that I am legit.

Thank you, Jeff Davis
jeff at greenbicycle.net

Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:56:42 -0700
From: Jeffrey Davis <jeff at greenbicycle.net>
To: vansprouts at mac
Subject: 1and1

Do you have the username and password for the 1and1 control panel?

That would be very helpful.

Thanks,

Jeff Davis
jeff at greenbicycle.net

Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:06:08 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Jeffrey Davis <jeff at greenbicycle.net>
Subject: re: terrasante.org

hi jeff,

i'd appreciate it if you'd keep this email just between us, and before getting further involved, you might want to check terrasante's reputation around tucson and on the internet.

whatever bruce has told you, this is not a simple matter of copying a website from one server to another.

bruce has agreed with me that he will find another web designer to build a totally new and honest website, temporarily at ts.harmonyandhealth.org.  when it's ready to go online, i'll make the dns transfer so that terrasante.org is the new website, and then resolve our business with the old webhosting service.

at this point, the old website is read-only due to serious unresolved intellectual property and mis-information issues.  (see http://cv.metasofa.org/tsweb1103.html, especially 'plan w')

however, the new designer is welcome to copy any useful & honest content (text, photos, video) from the old website to use in building the new website...

old public website -- http://terrasante.org/ -or- http://www.terrasante.org/

old private website -- http://terrasante.org/business/
  username: terra
  password: sante

new/alpha public website -- http://ts.harmonyandhealth.org/

new/alpha private website -- http://ts.harmonyandhealth.org/private/
  username: terra2
  password: [------]

ftp upload to new webserver -- ftp://ftp.harmonyandhealth.org -or- sftp://ftp.harmonyandhealth.org
  username: u60728298-ts
  password: [------]
  directory: /

good luck, should you choose to accept this mission, and stay in touch!

chris

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Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:56:42 -0700
From: Jeffrey Davis <jeff at greenbicycle.net>
To: vansprouts at mac
Subject: 1and1

Do you have the username and password for the 1and1 control panel?

That would be very helpful.

Thanks,

Jeff Davis
jeff at greenbicycle.net

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Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:42:27 -0700
From: Jeffrey Davis <jeff at greenbicycle.net>
To: vansprouts at mac
Subject: terrasante.org

Hello Chris,

My name is Jeff Davis and I have been talking to Bruce Scher about helping out with the terrasante.org website. He gave me some passwords but I don't think that I have everything that I need.

I have a login for ts.harmonyandhealth.org, but I don't know if it is FTP or what.

I have an ftp username/password for ftp.harmonyandhealth.org (username u60728298-ts).

I believe that the harmonyandhealth.org domain is pointing to the new server and I would like to have access to the current server that terrasante.org is on.

I think terrasante.org is using joomla - is it possible to give me a username and password for joomla?

Is it possible to get ssh/sftp access to the current site?

It might be good to have control panel access to the new server too, if that is available.

I will try to work with whatever you can send me.

You can check with Bruce to make sure that I am legit.

Thank you,

Jeff Davis
jeff at greenbicycle.net

Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:04:29 -0700
From: Jeffrey Davis <jeff at greenbicycle.net>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: terrasante.org

Chris,

Bruce has hired me to work on his website. I haven't accepted any payment yet, and it is looking quite likely that I will not.

But I would ask you not to send me anything else that you don't want me to share with Bruce. I will not forward this email to him, but I hope that you have told him everything in this email below.

I don't personally want to get involved in a website that is under this kind of conflict.

Jeff

On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:06 PM, chris vansprouts wrote:
> [ see above ]

Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:39:05 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Jim Krothers <jkrothers at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: 30 days notice to vacate my properties

Chris,
Please consider this your 30 days of notice to vacate yourself and your
belongings from all my properties.
Our verbal agreement was that I would continue to host you as long as you
were cooperative.
I have *not* felt your cooperation, and I no longer trust your words.
I am hopeful that you will keep the words of the TerraSante Village
Agreements *which you signed* and vacate per my request.

If you are still on my property when I return from points eastward July 13,
I will consider it trespass, and initiate eviction proceedings.
I wish you the best of luck wherever you may roam. I have learned from our
relationship.
Thank you,
Bruce

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:00:14 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
Subject: moving

dear bruce,

in reference to this statement in your last email,

> If you are still on my property when I return from points eastward July 13, I will consider it trespass, and initiate eviction proceedings.

i hope you'll talk with me again before taking any legal action.  i know the law, and your stated intentions and attitude are not appropriate for the situation.  other statements by you in both emails (below) are false or misleading.

according to our discussion on april 18 (not april 13), three months was a target date, and we agreed to meet again if necessary to extend that.  at this time, i have found two solutions for my needs, but am unable to complete arrangements until people return from summer travels (this is not a good time of year to find people in tucson).  i'm packed and prepared to move as soon as these arrangements are completed.

if you want to talk further, please email times when you would be available.

sincerely,
chris

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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:37:04 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, David Kohlberg <DKohlberg at aol>, martha <marthacd at earthlink.net>, larry hertz <hertz33 at q>, Brian <brianthewizard at yahoo>, Victoria White <victoriawhite9 at msn>, Tim White <twhite at empactconsulting>
Subject: Thank You

Hi Chris,
I did want to thank you for talking with me yesterday, and let people know you are looking for a place to live.
I understand you will be taking up to 3 months to make your transition.
Per the TSV council your stuff is OK to store here at TSV during that time frame, but must go as well by then.
I wish to thank you for your contribution to the website and network, etc. and for all the interesting ideas and information which you have brought here to our community.
I am sorry that your time here has been disappointing for you, and I wish you a great adventure at your next home!
PS- What about Kinney I's? Gorgeous up there! Off grid. Do you know Woodsby?
Kinney's # is 520-555-1983.
Thanks,
Bruce

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:39:05 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Jim Krothers <jkrothers at gmail>, Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
Subject: 30 days notice to vacate my properties

Chris,
Please consider this your 30 days of notice to vacate yourself and your belongings from all my properties.
Our verbal agreement was that I would continue to host you as long as you were cooperative.
I have not felt your cooperation, and I no longer trust your words.
I am hopeful that you will keep the words of the TerraSante Village Agreements which you signed and vacate per my request.

If you are still on my property when I return from points eastward July 13, I will consider it trespass, and initiate eviction proceedings.
I wish you the best of luck wherever you may roam. I have learned from our relationship.
Thank you,
Bruce

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:37:27 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: moving

Chris,
I am ready to move on an eviction proceeding soon.
This is this first of any update from you about your intentions, which per
everyone else I have spoken with is to "dig in".
If you provide me with phone numbers and names to verify your plan for
removal then I will consider delaying an eviction proceeding.
If not you may remove your belongings to storage and stay with family until
your arrangements can begin.
I am not interested in extending your time here.
Your words have not been kept with me in the past.
I do not trust you at this point. And believe little of what you may tell
me.
So sorry it has come to this.
Bruce

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:00 AM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
> [ see above ]

Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:35:00 -0700
From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
To: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: re: moving

bruce and tom,

sorry, i haven't forgotten about you, but i've been very busy.

i'm -not- "digging in" and i'm -not- a liar.  i don't care whether you trust me or not, that's your problem, not mine.  i -am- in the process of moving completely away from terrasante, after which i'll be happier than you.  and it won't be much longer, i solemnly promise.

it will be easiest, fastest, and least expensive for each one of us, if you would simply allow me to take the time i need, and let me go in peace.  i have no need of any advice or help from either of you, but i do need for you to stop threatening and harassing me, and otherwise interfering in my personal affairs.

peace or war, it's your choice.  if you seriously want to make a legal issue about a few more weeks for me to finish moving out, i'll need to give you a bill for 2 years of my services, so i can afford to pay for additional 'moving expenses' caused by you.

i hope this is clear.  i've been your friend so far, and done very good work for you, in good faith for your stated mission.

i still have not received any answers or explanations for the questions raised in my last terrasante website report.  instead, i've been personally attacked, slandered, and threatened for expressing my -professional- opinions for your benefit, and there has been no attempt at a community conflict resolution process about this situation.

as far as i'm concerned, bruce, you are still in debt to me for my work on the current terrasante.org website, and you are still responsible to the world for your dishonest website content.  this is not (as you say) blackmail, it's always been out in the open for all the world to see, and you're only continuing to embarrass yourself.

i wish you well, but i'm not holding my breath any longer.  please mind your own business, and i'll take care of mine.

chris

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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:37:27 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: Re: moving

> [ see above ]

Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:48:02 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <bscher11 at gmail>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: Re: moving

Hey Chris,
Resolution of the conflict would be for your leaving ASAP per your 30 days
notice given 21 June.
I remind you that you signed an agreement (TSV agreement) to leave if I have
asked, and i have.
I have been generous with 30 days. Many have offered to help you.
You still have not been forthcoming with your specific plan or contacts to
verify.
I can only assume a continued deception.

After 21 June, unless a truck has arrived for you stuff, I will consider
your presence a trespass, and will begin the process of legal eviction. I
will ask the judge that you pay the fees, and perhaps cover all the extra
time that is required of me.
I agree it would make more sense for you to spend the money on getting your
stuff moved.
Sometime after this we will commence removal of your belongings from the
boneyard, first to the ground, so we may use the bus storage, then after a
period, if unclaimed to the roadside.

Yes the website speaks for itself.
It is continually improving, and we can update it now that we got control
back!
You may recall that I asked for a different agreement with you more than a
year ago, when accountability became an issue between us.
I would rather have paid you for your actual time, but since you refused to
keep a log, nor sign any written agreements with me, and you moved off from
TSV property, I was willing to accept your continued donation for
maintenance work on the website, in exchange for  space to store your stuff,
and a place to park your van.
Your tenure here with TSV and myself has always been in the context of
donation to the nonprofit, as it has been for us all. It has *never* been
otherwise.
The website while an improvement on the previous website version leaves much
to be desired, and by many accounts should have required a period of months
(not years) to complete. Certainly it doesn't warrant any more than you have
already received.
What is it 2 1/2 years you have been here?
We are even on that accord!
Your continued assertion to the contrary belies a different motive, and you
should have left long ago if you were not here to serve.

I am minding my business.
Please get off my property!
I assert my property rights.
Go in peace. Now, not later.
Please do take care of your business, rent storage if you need it.
There is a storage place at Ajo and Kinney.
Thank you for your cooperation and honoring your words that remain. (The
written ones).
Bruce

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:35 PM, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac> wrote:
> [ see above ]

Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:50:12 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>
Subject: using our electric

Dear Chris,
Please do not reconnect to our electric.
Needless to say you are no longer a supporting member of TSV.
You do not have permission to use it, to do so again constitutes theft.
I have installed locks, please leave them intact!
Please remove your belongings from my property.
30 days have passed since I made you notice to leave.
I will be filing eviction proceedings.
Please honor the TerraSante Village Agreement which you signed, and respect
my property rights.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:36:05 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>
Subject: your moving activities

Dear Chris,
Nice to hear you are finally beginning to remove your items on day 31 of
your 30 days notice to vacate.
Truly it is in keeping with our experience of you.
I have gone against the wishes of the TSV council and switched back on
electric to the storage bus for 24 hours.
This as a courtesy for lighting while you remove items at night from the bus
storage in the boneyard.
This will end at 9 PM tonight.
Please remove any electric/computer items that operate during the daytime
hours, we will not be allowing such to continue 24/7, as it has done for the
last 30 days.
If you require lighting beyond 24 hours, we may do so one more night, if you
can show the progress made to myself, or Rick.
In a matter of days we will begin moving items into that storage space.
Please be sure your lock is removed.
Any items left behind, will be placed outside, if they remain there, they
will be placed at the roadside.
Can you give me a date for your planned exit from all properties in my name?
 "As soon as possible" is not acceptable.
It speaks to a lack of commitment, and continued deception.
Thanks your cooperation.
Bruce
TerraSante Village Council member

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:40:59 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>
Subject: update on storage bus at TSV

Hey Chris,
Just to update you here on day 32 of your 30 days notice to vacate.
I have removed the power connection by which your computers were still
operating.
They are disconnected and ready for removal.
Sorry but you will no longer have the benefit of nightime lighting.
I saw you had removed some items.
Please come for the rest soon.
Please appraise me of your specific moving plans,dates.
I'm sorry that I can no longer accept "as soon as possible", as it doesn't
seem so soon.
On Sunday I will be moving items left behind to your pile of items outside
to expedite this.
I will cover them with a tarp. Do you have one I may borrow for this?
Items left behind after a few days I shall move to the road.
Thanks for your cooperation in this.
Feel free to call me with any concerns.
Bruce 403-8430
PS: your lock is intact on the bench. I have removed the door to make moving
easier.

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:04:31 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>
Subject: moving your stuff away?

Hey Chris,
Thanks for removing your items from the storage bus in the boneyard.
It is now day 34 of your 30 days notice to vacate.
When will you remove the pile of stuff beneath the geodesic frame?
Do you plan to donate this material to TSV? If so I will need paper
indicating that.
If not, we will move it off our property later this week to the road where
you may retrieve it at your convenience.
Can you give me an idea when you will be off my properties completely?
If not, you may count on me filing eviction proceedings.
Thanks,
Bruce

Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:29:42 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Rick <nativeseed.rick at gmail>, Dianna Elbert <facturelli at gmail>, Danny August <danny at terrasante>, Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>, Jim Krothers <jkrothers at gmail>, j'Etana <jetana01 at yahoo>
Subject: progress in removing your stuff

Hi Chris,
Thank you for removing your items from my property at 13551 W. Sacred Earth
Pl.
I am glad you are finally making progress.
Please check with me first for my permission, before again venturing onto
either 13535, or 13551 W.Sacred Earth Pl.
It is now day 38 of your 30 days of notice to vacate.
Can you give me some idea of your timeline to complete exit?
Thus far I have heard only "as soon as possible"
I think we would both prefer to avoid a formal eviction.
With regards to your items still remaining on 13555 W. Sacred Earth Pl.:
It looks like there is still a dome frame and an inoperable van with a tow
bar left behind, along with solar panels and water distillers.
You may plan to leave the bathtub, as I believe that belongs to us.
Please note that we will be doing some plumbing work on the mobile home and
you should expect that the 1/4 in tubing feed to stills and what not will be
disconnected.
You are welcome to fill up drinking water jugs from the well as needed
during your final moving process.
If your van is *still* there next week we will tow it to the road to make it
more accessible for whomever you may choose as a tow company.
Probably it would be better if you do before then.
I appreciate your compliance with my desire to have you off the property for
which I am responsible.
Thank you for honoring my property rights, and your signature.
Bruce

Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:27:21 -0700
From: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
To: Chris <vansprouts at mac>
Subject: moving...

hey chris
good to talk yesterday....
i called bruce today,..and related our conversation...
he also is stressed and having his life on hold (somewhat) waiting and
wanting this to be resolved....
the solution at this point seems to be to find a place for you to move the
remainder of your stuff (just what you showed me yesterday)....
until you find your ultimate move....
or maybe find that place in this present process (like now..or the next
couple of days).....
better than having your vehicle towed to the mailboxes .....

one real possibility may be "trees please" with an acre of gardens near
peoples imports....
i can call aj and inquire and recommend....there are good people ...doing a
good thing there....(worth checking out one way or other)...
i will keep my eyes open .....

i understand your not wanting to move twice....but better to avoid bruces
only option for your not leaving....legal eviction and more imposed
costs....
your set up only takes up a small space and should be able to fit into many
settings....
i do know of a possibility up sierrita mt rd..(though i figure that is not
your preference)....(( though this is more in the matter of need
now,,,...rather than preference..))

in peace..
tom

Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:10:22 -0700
From: Bruce Scher <scher at terrasante>
To: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac>
Cc: Tom Mendola <tmendola at gmail>
Subject: plans for moving

HI Chris,
We are now at 30 days notice to vacate + 12 days.
As we discussed today with Tom as a witness, I will tow your inoperable
vehicle to the public road, and off my property if it remains after 16
August, giving you another 2 weeks to make your arrangements.
This is most generous, and I would appreciate if you would be well on your
way* before* that deadline.
That should be ample time to take care of loose ends.
Please note that I have disconnected the 1/4 feed line to your distillation
and the tub, and expect that you will complete packing for your move. Please
do not reconnect to anything there. You may fill jugs for drinking water
from the tap as needed until your departure.
Thank you for your compliance in all regards.
Bruce

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